Fell Cleaves...

[Zagen]

He gave some advice on how to avoid getting banhammered for doing something which is not against the rules. I seriously doubt SE will respond seeing as how that's basically giving RMT a roadmap for how to do their thing without getting banned.

And unless he's an official spokesman from SE his advice is meaningless considering he's not a part of the people who will make the decision on whether or not a player get's banned.

[Ravenmore]

There are still many gil fountains in the game and it is piss easy to get 500k to a mil even out side of dyna. Got bst(some times it seems like who doesn't) and 99 KS bam 1mil for 15mins of work using items you pick up going about your day.

[Yinnyth]

And unless he's an official spokesman from SE his advice is meaningless considering he's not a part of the people who will make the decision on whether or not a player get's banned.

You're right, he can't accurately speak on behalf of SE. And I doubt SE will speak on the behalf of SE regarding that matter. So form your own opinion. As I would hope every intelligent person would. But if you need some advice, Alhanelem's is not a bad place to start.

I should mention, I do somewhat agree with the OP here. This is (or at least should be) a publicity nightmare for SE since they basically condemned selling your fellcleave services. But it should not be a nightmare for people offering helpful suggestions on how to avoid getting banned.

[Phafi]

you guys didn't look very hard.
http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...0&tag=ff11user

2.2 Real Money Trading, Farming and Power-Leveling. You may not sell, purchase or exchange for real-world money or value any in-game currency, accounts, characters, in-game services, or in-game virtual items. You may not play the Game for the purpose of acquiring virtual items or advancement in game play on behalf of a third-party or for the purpose of selling any virtual assets to a third party for real-world money, specifically including “gold-farming” and power-leveling services.

[Yinnyth]

That's for real world money though. People who sell exp for ingame gil and leave it at that should still be ok by SE's laws.

[Phafi]

its phrasing makes it seem like it's lumped in with botting where your character progresses while you're not playing as indicated by the second bold part

[Zagen]

its phrasing makes it seem like it's lumped in with botting where your character progresses while you're not playing as indicated by the second bold part

It's a gray area to be honest. Third-party has in the past been in reference to programs outside of the game, however without any clarification like the OP is asking for it can include other players.

[bigdave]

i think that se should leave people along if there gonna ban people for paying 1 mil to get 8 hours of xp they will wind up with no client base if they continue in this direction stuff like this makes me want to quit i am still highly upset about blinkers and pearl teal and pink gear set nerfs

[Yinnyth]

i think that se should leave people along if there gonna ban people for paying 1 mil to get 8 hours of xp they will wind up with no client base if they continue in this direction stuff like this makes me want to quit i am still highly upset about blinkers and pearl teal and pink gear set nerfs

I'm sorry to hear that NPCing your cruor was your largest source of gil. Seeing as how cruor is so easy to obtain however, it was a natural necessity if they wished to prevent rampant inflation.

[Galieon]

Why not ask your friendly GM in game? That's what we did. The SGM was able to clarify the policy quite nicely. For starters, Fell Cleaving for xp is not against the pol service agreement. Where it gets tricky is the RMT aspect / zone disruption. So here's how to not be dumb and avoid getting banned.

RMT activity: Don't do it. Simple right? SE is able to track your currency transactions (gil flow through your character). Don't make money disappear and you'll be fine. As long as you (the host) are engaging in normal spending habits with your money (defined as action house / occasional bazaar transactions) you have nothing to fear. As for the people donating to you cause, don't ever trade more than 1M (think delivery box: what is the maximum amount of gil you're allowed to send in a dbox, and why was it set at that amount to begin with? hint: it wasn't always that amount).

As for zone disruption, this could mean 1 of 2 things. You're either disrupting the zones with yells, or you are disrupting the zone you are cleaving in. To bypass the yell, make your yell like a normal xp pt, with XX/18. People aren't dumb, and know what kind of party it is. I would advise against advertising a payed amount (or advertising much at all) unless you want excess scrutiny to be taken against you. Keep it in /t, with a 'we are requesting a donation of ____'. Shouldn't take long for your party to fill, and if it doesn't people will randomly ask you hours later, it's amazing. Also, be an entrepreneur and write people's names down. Keeping in contact with them in /t' is a sure way to keep from disrupting zones with shouts (fancy that).

As for disruption of the zone. Bazaar your NM pop items for w/e it is you're cleaving. Also, if people want to farm the mobs for w/e item, just collect them from your burns, and give it to them for free. Most of the time, they're more than happy to take free stuff. It saves them time / money, and over all you're being charitable with YOUR time to aid other players (I know right? People being charitable to others in this game is a shocking concept).

Misc. Concerns: Grievance / Harassment: Grievance and Harassment violations can exist. Here's how to not get one against you. Don't be effin greedy with pulling. If some1 else has some mobs pulled, tough, get the next batch, or don't suck with your pull path. If you purposely claim mobs that some1 else has pulled, they can file a grievance complaint against you for malicious intentions (that is ban-able). On the contrary, you as a host get these same inalienable FF11 rights. If some1 kills the mobs you have pulled with the intent to cause you harm / grieve you, you may report them (Cool huh?). In summary for this, don't pull other people's xp mobs.

In summary: 1. Don't trade your gil with shady intentions, 2. Don't commit zone discrepancies, 3. Don't make other's hate you or give them ANY reason to think you are causing them harm. Play nice, and you will be rewarded (if you would like additional feedback, feel free to ask a GM yourself).