Fell Cleaves...

[Demon6324236]

How do you "clarify" this? Just asking.

Their post says its action against RMT, yet a GM told me any player could be punished for participating in such a party. I want them to come out and say for sure if real players will be punished for it or if it was a misunderstanding and only those found to be RMT will be punished.

[Luvbunny]

Hm, considering you can walk out a good dynamis run with at least 1.2m barring 100 drops as well, I doubt anyone has a need to buy gil lol. Most people I see buy in FC are established players, rarely do I see actually new players in FCs.

Yeah the same established players who understand how the FC party works. They rather go do something else like getting some sleep - and wake up to find their characters is already level 99. Why don't SE just start having NPC selling unique items (like those memoirs thing) that will give you 5-10 levels per use. And charge us with cruors or gills - make it rather expensive, say 100k-200k per level at lvl 75 and above. And limit for 5 levels a day or something.

This will reduce fell cleave activities. And RMT will resort to being "merc" Abyssea pop items lol, or figure out a way to take advantage SoA system. Honestly, Abyssea is the best system they come up, by making cruors so easy to get and most of the best gears rare/ex - this render gills somewhat moot unless you are making relic and mythic or crafting.

[Zumi]

You can make 1.5m easy in 1 dyanmis run paying 500k to someone for an FC does not make you a gil buyer. FCing is probably the best way to level. Sad but true.

[Kojo]

Their post says its action against RMT, yet a GM told me any player could be punished for participating in such a party. I want them to come out and say for sure if real players will be punished for it or if it was a misunderstanding and only those found to be RMT will be punished.

If it could be misunderstood at this level, it could be misunderstood to the point of resulting in a ban, just because a GM may think it's against ToS. Personally, I kinda feel the GM you spoke to was mistaken, which needs to be rectified.

[FrankReynolds]

The issue applies to those people shouting 24/7 selling spots in a cleave. No normal person is going to cleave 24/7. If you are, I'm going to go ahead and call you an RMT.

This guy ran cleaves and literally stayed in abyssea for weeks straight to fund relics etc. for himself and his friends. He duo-boxes on 2 xbox 360s and absolutely hates RMTs. I played with him for years in my sky / sea / limbus / einherjar and abyssea linkshells. He is absolutely not an RMT.

http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Cerberus/Cbassxx#equip

The probability of all or most of the people buying in being gil-buyers is extremely high, as is the probability of the person taking the gil being RMT.

It takes what? 1 week of doing dynamis two hours a day to earn enough gil to FC every job to 99 in a pay per hour type party? Why would you have to be a gil buyer to do that? I don't think I know anyone who can't afford that. I guess everyone is an RMT now?

[sweetidealism]

Am I understanding correctly that the issue is the admittedly annoying advertisement via shout/yell?

For example, if I were to go to an Abyssea area and, instead of shouting, use a search comment to notify others that I'm willing to power level them-- would that be okay? It hardly seems like it would be as effective, but that way I would still be able to let players know what I'm doing so they would be able to find me. No RMT activity, just an honest Mithra earning a living power leveling.

Please clarify the dev's stance on this.

[Zumi]

If spaming Jeuno for FC i annoying wouldn't spaming Jeuno shout/yells for getting people for VW or any other event be just as annoying?

[Alhanelem]

Hm, considering you can walk out a good dynamis run with at least 1.2m barring 100 drops as well, I doubt anyone has a need to buy gil lol. Most people I see buy in FC are established players, rarely do I see actually new players in FCs.

It takes what? 1 week of doing dynamis two hours a day to earn enough gil to FC every job to 99 in a pay per hour type party? Why would you have to be a gil buyer to do that? I don't think I know anyone who can't afford that. I guess everyone is an RMT now?

just because you do a monotonous 2 hour activity to get gil doesn't mean other people want to or have the time to. There will be gil buyers no matter how easy you percieve it to be to make gil. For every person who doesn't mind doing the work, there's someone that doesn't want to do it.

I certainly don't want to farm dynamis every day personally. Besides that, the price is crashing with new content decreasing interest in relics + oversaturation of currency in the market. The price on Shiva has dropped by almost a third since the expansion came out.

Anyone who buys gil is L-A-Z-Y. They buy it because they don't want to spend the time making it- even if it's not "difficult" to do. Thus, these are the same people whom are likely top be the clientel of fell cleavers.

no matter how easy you think something is, there will always be people who don't want to do it. You'll probably ask "why play then?" Well, that's a good question. Ask a gil buyer sometime.

This guy ran cleaves and literally stayed in abyssea for weeks straight to fund relics etc. for himself and his friends. He duo-boxes on 2 xbox 360s and absolutely hates RMTs. I played with him for years in my sky / sea / limbus / einherjar and abyssea linkshells. He is absolutely not an RMT.

He'd be an exception to the rule. He also would have to rest/sleep sometime, so if he was in there all day every day for weeks straight, either he's super-human, has red bull for blood, or is using a bot program / script / keyboard macro.

Am I understanding correctly that the issue is the admittedly annoying advertisement via shout/yell?

For example, if I were to go to an Abyssea area and, instead of shouting, use a search comment to notify others that I'm willing to power level them-- would that be okay? It hardly seems like it would be as effective, but that way I would still be able to let players know what I'm doing so they would be able to find me. No RMT activity, just an honest Mithra earning a living power leveling.

Please clarify the dev's stance on this.

Here's your clarification: yell in jeuno once or twice, set a comment, then go cleave. Don't use a mule to auto yell in town at regular intervals and you're fine.

If you're that afraid of action being taken, then just don't do it. It's not like there's no other way to make gil than exploit gil buyers and lazy bums.

[Zagen]

Here's your clarification: yell in jeuno once or twice, set a comment, then go cleave. Don't use a mule to auto yell in town at regular intervals and you're fine.

Sorry I must have missed the announcement, congrats on getting hired by SE to be an official spokesman!

[Yinnyth]

Sorry I must have missed the announcement, congrats on getting hired by SE to be an official spokesman!

He gave some advice on how to avoid getting banhammered for doing something which is not against the rules. I seriously doubt SE will respond seeing as how that's basically giving RMT a roadmap for how to do their thing without getting banned.

Edit: CrystalWeapon, thanks for pointing me to that STF report. I had read it in the past, but I just skimmed it and didn't realize they were using automated banning tools.