Fell Cleaves...

[Demon6324236]

We are currently investigating players who advertise power leveling services via Shout/Yell, collect gil from the participants, and then use that gil to engage in RMT-related activity. Our investigations thus far have revealed that these players regularly advertise in the Jeuno area and we have responded by terminating the FINAL FANTASY XI service accounts of those found guilty of this behavior.

Please be aware that advertising in such a manner in itself can be disrupting to other players and we may take action against players who continuously advertise for the above kind of parties. This also includes behavior that helps facilitate such activity. Please take caution in not supporting RMT-related activity.

In addition, if you witness other players engaging in this behavior, please report the details to the Special Task Force via the Square Enix Support Center.

Square Enix Support Center
http://support.na.square-enix.com/ffxi/
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We appreciate your understanding and cooperation in this matter.

I want clarification that no normal and legitimate player will be punished for participating in or performing a similar type of party. There is no reason a normal legitimate player should be punished for taking actions similar to a RMT of who is breaking the rules when the normal player is not breaking any rules. Our actions are only similar in game, meaning the fact we perform these types of parties, not out of the game, where RMTs plan to make money from performing these parties.

There are many normal players who use these types of parties to fund Relics, Mythics, Emps, and gear in general, all of which are good reasons to do it, and not ban-able offenses. While I know this has been said before, I recently spoke to a GM who informed me that it is a punishable offense to host one of these parties no matter if you are found to be a RMT or not, and can result in a ban of your character.

[Randwolf]

"Please be aware that advertising in such a manner in itself can be disrupting to other players and we may take action against players who continuously advertise for the above kind of parties."

That phrase would apply to all players. So, even if you aren't RMT but are spamming the shouts for services, you are subject to discipline. Personally, I have no issue if the FC shout spammers get disciplined. The game will continue on without their services.

[Kincard]

Personally I don't think the STF should be concerned about banning the fell cleaves themselves because they arn't technically breaking the rules, and just stick to banning suspicious gil transactions. I don't use fell cleaves and I've never hosted one (well, I've done a few within LS that didn't involve any gil, if that counts), but I don't really like the idea that they're just targeting whatever the RMTs happen to be doing to make gil and just do massive bans on anyone who engages in similar activity. It shouldn't be THAT hard to find who the RMTs are and who they arn't.

[Sarick]

We are currently investigating players who advertise power leveling services via Shout/Yell, collect gil from the participants, and then use that gil to engage in RMT-related activity.

First sentence is all you need to worry about. I bolded the parts that are of importance. Are players still able to cleave after the defense update? I mean instant hate on the mage and high damage on the aoe dealer makes it sound like they'll be kinda dead.

[Zagen]

This is disappointing as now those who want to get from level 30 to 99 fast are competing as leaders for "normal" abyssea EXP. Oh well guess I'll have to key whore instead of leech my GEO from 30-99.

First sentence is all you need to worry about. I bolded the parts that are of importance. Are players still able to cleave after the defense update? I mean instant hate on the mage and high damage on the aoe dealer makes it sound like they'll be kinda dead.

Defense update changed nothing for cleave parties, nor was it going to change anything considering unleveled the monsters have low attack and base damage allowing phalanx (and regen atma(s) if not using MNK enemies) to negate the damage.

[Demon6324236]

First sentence is all you need to worry about. I bolded the parts that are of importance. Are players still able to cleave after the defense update? I mean instant hate on the mage and high damage on the aoe dealer makes it sound like they'll be kinda dead.

I was able to FC Lizards at their max level in Misar with full buffs up (bergressor and such) which lowered my defensive options to nothing, and yet I was getting hit with hardly any damage. I had 47% PDT but still, that is low damage with those buffs, any WAR with 20~25% PDT should be able to cleave just fine so long as they have a decent RDM(360~440 skill...) casting Phalanx on them. That is easy in all honesty because RDM caps at 424 so thats not hard to hit if you cap it, and PDT gear is easy with Dux and a few random simple pieces in Abyssea.

[Horadrim]

First sentence is all you need to worry about. I bolded the parts that are of importance. Are players still able to cleave after the defense update? I mean instant hate on the mage and high damage on the aoe dealer makes it sound like they'll be kinda dead.

I survived for like 15 minutes in Abyssea as WAR/DNC while wearing primarily double attack gear (only PDT piece I had one was Dux feet) from the AH while holding every crab in the are next to the frogs in Misareaux -- the only reason I was there was because I wanted to D3 myself and after seeing how long it was taking I decided to try and test how long I could survive). It isn't hard at all to stay alive in Abyssea -- the defense update did very little, it seems.

[Kojo]

I want clarification that no normal and legitimate player will be punished for participating in or performing a similar type of party. There is no reason a normal legitimate player should be punished for taking actions similar to a RMT of who is breaking the rules when the normal player is not breaking any rules. Our actions are only similar in game, meaning the fact we perform these types of parties, not out of the game, where RMTs plan to make money from performing these parties.

There are many normal players who use these types of parties to fund Relics, Mythics, Emps, and gear in general, all of which are good reasons to do it, and not ban-able offenses. While I know this has been said before, I recently spoke to a GM who informed me that it is a punishable offense to host one of these parties no matter if you are found to be a RMT or not, and can result in a ban of your character.

Firstly I hate cleave parties, but I DO see the usefulness, secondly, I try to refrain from using profanity on these forums but that is absolute bullshit, if it's a bannable offense they should label it a bug or an exploit and fix it, no one should be banned for a "working as intended" way of partying that has been bitched about but never nerfed/fixed/whatever.

[Kikorimo]

I had made a thread here about this the first time this came up and Okipuit had responded saying that they investigate thoroughly and only ban if the cleaver is using the gil for RMt related activity. Also said to be careful what cleaves you join because if you support RMT cleaves there is a chance of punishment. I'll see if i can find my old thread and link it...

[Kikorimo]

found it: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...g-cleave/page2