Fell Cleaves...

[zataz]

just to clarify if u pull 3 mobs and i "take one" nothing will happen to me if its not claimed its fair game

[Galieon]

No sir. That is ONLY if the mob is not 100%. Otherwise, you are the one compromising a player's xp, when there would clearly be other mobs on the field you could choose from (in most instances, not every mob can be pulled). 1-2 mobs off the group isn't the problem. The main issue is where player will do an aoe onto the mobs you pull. I personally wouldnt care if you pulled 1-2 mobs off the group. Kill the whole thing and ruin the party as a whole, you're getting reported for grievances.

[Horadrim]

you guys didn't look very hard.
http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...0&tag=ff11user

Which makes every Mercenary shout against the rules.

[Elexia]

just to clarify if u pull 3 mobs and i "take one" nothing will happen to me if its not claimed its fair game

To further elaborate on this, if you see me go to pull mobs and you decide to start picking mobs off of me you're actually harassing me. So if you sit there and follow me just to pick mobs off of me, that's harassment. If I already FC'd/CW or whatever else you do for AoEing then you come over and kill them, that's griefing.

"Yellow/White Names" is indeed fair game, but you have to use common sense on when it's free game and suffice to say, being an ass doesn't make it 'free game.'

[Kikorimo]

I already posted a link to a community rep response to this in this thread. I made a thread the last time this was announced here and had a community rep respond here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...g-cleave/page2

Greetings,

To clarify the situation -- normal players will not get in trouble for advertising power leveling services on their own. We will thoroughly investigate whether or not the users soliciting for the service are affiliated with RMT activity and take action against those that are. However, in the event players are supporting RMT activity and services, there is a possibility of being punished as well. Therefore, we ask users to be careful not to involve themselves in activity that is associated with RMT.

It's at the bottom of Page 2. Okipuit was pretty clear that it's ok to cleave as long as you're not selling the gil etc. You'll only be punished for joining a cleave IF the perople taking your gil are RMT. In other words, don't join cleaves that are run by suspected RMT.

[Sarick]

It's at the bottom of Page 2. Okipuit was pretty clear that it's ok to cleave as long as you're not selling the gil etc. You'll only be punished for joining a cleave IF the perople taking your gil are RMT. In other words, don't join cleaves that are run by suspected RMT.

How are you supposed to know if they are RMT? Is there a service like "Show me the carfax." for cleave parties?

[Zagen]

I already posted a link to a community rep response to this in this thread. I made a thread the last time this was announced here and had a community rep respond here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...g-cleave/page2

It's at the bottom of Page 2. Okipuit was pretty clear that it's ok to cleave as long as you're not selling the gil etc. You'll only be punished for joining a cleave IF the perople taking your gil are RMT. In other words, don't join cleaves that are run by suspected RMT.

Do you realize that post was made on 12-11-2012 04:45 PM? Considering the new notice (posted a day ago) includes shouts being a disruption (something that wasn't previously mentioned) what Okipuit posted may no longer be accurate. Even then there's this issue:

How are you supposed to know if they are RMT? Is there a service like "Show me the carfax." for cleave parties?

I get that going into detail risks having RMT learn how to circumvent the bans but really without explaining there's no way to know what is or isn't safe.

[Alhanelem]

How are you supposed to know if they are RMT? Is there a service like "Show me the carfax." for cleave parties?

You would probably only be subject to discipline if they can link you as a buyer to a gil seller.

[FrankReynolds]

just because you do a monotonous 2 hour activity to get gil doesn't mean other people want to or have the time to. There will be gil buyers no matter how easy you percieve it to be to make gil. For every person who doesn't mind doing the work, there's someone that doesn't want to do it.

I certainly don't want to farm dynamis every day personally. Besides that, the price is crashing with new content decreasing interest in relics + oversaturation of currency in the market. The price on Shiva has dropped by almost a third since the expansion came out.

Anyone who buys gil is L-A-Z-Y. They buy it because they don't want to spend the time making it- even if it's not "difficult" to do. Thus, these are the same people whom are likely top be the clientel of fell cleavers.

no matter how easy you think something is, there will always be people who don't want to do it. You'll probably ask "why play then?" Well, that's a good question. Ask a gil buyer sometime.

I grasp that there are lazy people. However, earning enough gil to fell cleave your jobs up is super easy. We're talking what? maybe a million per job tops? If you think spending 1 million gil on something means that you are a gil buyer, then you yourself are definitely without a doubt a gil buyer by your own definition. That's completely ignoring the fact that prior to the blinker nerf, just sitting in a fell cleave party earned you enough gil to pay for the party. Prior to blinker nerfs, all you had to do was have enough money to get in the party. You would earn it back just standing there.

In other words, anyone who could come up with a million gil, just once. Just one million gil. Just one time. Had enough to level every job. Without ever earning another dime. Just trading in the cruor they made from the first run to fund the next until they were done with every job. You are crazy far off the mark on this one.

He'd be an exception to the rule. He also would have to rest/sleep sometime, so if he was in there all day every day for weeks straight, either he's super-human, has red bull for blood, or is using a bot program / script / keyboard macro.

His brother did play his character sometimes, but 99% of the time it was all him. He lives someplace where he gets snowed in and so he would do nothing but play FFXI during those times. It's not really for us to judge. The fact of the matter is that SE should be doing their due diligence to make sure they don't ban long time dedicated customers like him just so that they can stop joey the pink ninja from buying gil. Joey the pink ninja wasn't going to be around long anyways.

If you're that afraid of action being taken, then just don't do it. It's not like there's no other way to make gil than exploit gil buyers and lazy bums.

So in essence, honest paying customers should work extra hard to make their gil so that SE has less work to do investigating RMTs? That makes perfect sense... said no one ever.

[Kikorimo]

Do you realize that post was made on 12-11-2012 04:45 PM? Considering the new notice (posted a day ago) includes shouts being a disruption (something that wasn't previously mentioned) what Okipuit posted may no longer be accurate. Even then there's this issue:



I get that going into detail risks having RMT learn how to circumvent the bans but really without explaining there's no way to know what is or isn't safe.

If you read the original post, they said something then about shouts being a disruption also. The current post is the same as the last time this came up.