Enmity System Explanation and Planned Adjustments

[OmnysValefor]

*Slams head on desk*

"Cure kits" are exactly the same as they were three months ago. Which is useless. Enmity from healing took the same reduction that damage did and thus is not any better then it was before. Your better off slamming your head into the monsters fist to generate enmity then trying to build it via cure spam.

I know that. But three months ago, tanking was pretty much gone. THey want to fix enmity.. Last time enmity worked, cure kits were a viable part of that. Calm down.

[saevel]

I know that. But three months ago, tanking was pretty much gone. THey want to fix enmity.. Last time enmity worked, cure kits were a viable part of that. Calm down.

Cure kits rightfully died a horrible death as the level when up (and their CE multiplier went down).

Please people, for the love of FFXI learn the actual mechanics behind the enmity system. People have already taken tons of their personal time and done all the hard work, you only need to read.

http://kanican.livejournal.com/tag/enmity%20table!

"Heal spam" has never been better then smacking sh1t to generated hate, notably CE. The only time it was ever useful was when the PLD was unbuffed or not engaged. If SE wants to create "real" tanking then their going to have to attack the core of the problem, there are no significant hate generating abilities in the game on a short enough timer to matter. Alter provoke (just example) to generate 500~1000 CE and then it will be a viable hate tool.

[OmnysValefor]

Cure kits rightfully died a horrible death as the level when up (and their CE multiplier went down).

Please people, for the love of FFXI learn the actual mechanics behind the enmity system. People have already taken tons of their personal time and done all the hard work, you only need to read.

http://kanican.livejournal.com/tag/enmity%20table!

"Heal spam" has never been better then smacking sh1t to generated hate, notably CE. The only time it was ever useful was when the PLD was unbuffed or not engaged. If SE wants to create "real" tanking then their going to have to attack the core of the problem, there are no significant hate generating abilities in the game on a short enough timer to matter. Alter provoke (just example) to generate 500~1000 CE and then it will be a viable hate tool.

It was viable during certain parts of the game, particularly when the mob was invincible (or stoneskin) or PD'd? It was a helpful tool when kiting, just like using /nin ichi tool was. Cure kits were used by people who did know the enmity mechanics and why they did work, and when they didn't. PLD sucked against high defense mobs, besides SE's gift of Spirits Within, and much later, Atonement. Mobs could mitigate our offensive power, but how much we could heal for was all on us.

I loved the CE/VE system and that this game has the most complex (not "complicated") hate system of any game I've played. If you're good at it, you could watch it in action and understand exactly why the mob was doing what it was doing.

[saevel]

It was viable during certain parts of the game, particularly when the mob was invincible (or stoneskin) or PD'd? It was a helpful tool when kiting, just like using /nin ichi tool was. Cure kits were used by people who did know the enmity mechanics and why they did work, and when they didn't. PLD sucked against high defense mobs, besides SE's gift of Spirits Within, and much later, Atonement. Mobs could mitigate our offensive power, but how much we could heal for was all on us.

I loved the CE/VE system and that this game has the most complex (not "complicated") hate system of any game I've played. If you're good at it, you could watch it in action and understand exactly why the mob was doing what it was doing.

You might of missed the /RDM boat. (At that time) Bind / Blind spam created more hate then Cure spam could, eventually RDM's started using it to tank and SE swung it's nerf hammer. In either case PLD simply doesn't have enough MP to maintain cure spam unless your getting ballads, which means your not getting march's and thus doing less damage for even less CE generation. Eventually it was dumped as simply not viable though some very old PLD's refuse to accept that.

[Phafi]

Please people, for the love of FFXI learn the actual mechanics behind...

didn't you get mass quoted a bit back to be wrong in everything you stated?