Enmity System Explanation and Planned Adjustments

[Caketime]

When was enmity ever not broken? There has always been something that someone could complain about giving too much or too little enmity.

It's never been perfect, I never said it was. Feel free to put words in my mouth, however.

[HimuraKenshyn]

Last night was so awesome pally super tanking I died, raised and casted refresh2 on myself and the mob kills me again fing epic system we have at the moment...

[Horadrim]

Last night was so awesome pally super tanking I died, raised and casted refresh2 on myself and the mob kills me again fing epic system we have at the moment...

Super Tanking.... as in Reives?

Reive mobs have unique enmity mechanics, they are specifically designed to be able to hunt down and kill off targets in the area regardless of whether or not they have hate. if you don't believe that, you obviously haven't done a Reive with a BST who doesn't know to sneak/invis before sending a pet in.

[HimuraKenshyn]

Super Tanking.... as in Reives?

Reive mobs have unique enmity mechanics, they are specifically designed to be able to hunt down and kill off targets in the area regardless of whether or not they have hate. if you don't believe that, you obviously haven't done a Reive with a BST who doesn't know to sneak/invis before sending a pet in.

Nope just regular mobs was holding a bunch of links.

[Godofgods]

Below is the list of abilities and spells that will have their enmity values reduced:

• White Magic
  Raise / Raise II / Raise III / Arise / Poisona / Paralyna / Blindna / Silena / Stona / Viruna / Cursna / Blink / Stoneskin / Aquaveil / Slow (I & II) / Haste / Paralyze (I & II) / Silence / Barfire / Barblizzard / Baraero/ Barstone / Barthunder / Barwater / Barsleep / Barpoison / Barparalyze / Barsilence / Barblind / Barbreak / Barvirus / Sacrifice / Esuna / Auspice / Repose / Erase / Addle / Temper / Embrava / Enfire (I & II) / Enblizzard (I & II) / Enthunder (I & II) / Enwater (I & II) / Enaero (I & II) / Enstone (I & II) / Enlight / Phalanx (I & II) / Regen (I~V) / Refresh (I & II) / Sandstorm / Rainstorm / Windstorm / Firestorm / Hailstorm / Thunderstorm / Aurorastorm / Voidstorm / Animus Augeo / Animus Minuo / Adloquium

How is cure not apart of that?
Reason

[Elaric]

• Job Abilities
  Benediction

Here's hoping that Benediction no longer == suicide.

[Demon6324236]

How is cure not apart of that?
Reason

As a follow-up to my previous post, we will be making adjustments to job abilities and spells that have a fixed amount of enmity in the upcoming version update.

Cures generate enmity based on the amount cured, thus they do not have a fixed amount of enmity they generate, and are not listed in these changes...

[Yinnyth]

It's never been perfect, I never said it was. Feel free to put words in my mouth, however.

I never said you said it was perfect, apologies if that sounded like the point I was trying to make. I used your quote as little more than a jumping-off point for me to join the conversation so I could slowly push towards the idea that NIN's enmity problems should be fixed with something besides ninjutsu so the option of being a low-enmity ninja DD still exists. Since your original post had nothing to do with ninjas, I thought it would be obvious that I'm not so much touching your post specifically, but the overall attitude of everyone posting here, but I can see how it might be misconstrued. Sorry again.

Kincard raises some good points on last page. Ninjutsu has almost never been used to hold hate because it's really never been very good at holding hate.

[Kombys]

I dont see why they reducing enmity for ninja spells, good ninjas use spells to get hate, and vokes of course

[Yinnyth]

I dont see why they reducing enmity for ninja spells, good ninjas use spells to get hate, and vokes of course

Firstly because the decreases in hate generation from damage and healing caused an indirect boost to these spells ability to build hate. Secondly because due to the nature of the stances that NIN uses, it can be played as a high-enmity tank/debuffer, or a low-enmity DD/debuffer. If they left ninjutsu spells at their current values, playing low-enmity ninja would be harder than it used to be before the enmity changes.

My hope is that they grant ninja some hate tools outside of the standard buffs and debuffs they currently use. Or maybe something unique like a spell that frenzies the enemy and forces them to attack the ninja regardless of current hate values. Obviously, it would need a long recast and short duration though.