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    Player Karbuncle's Avatar
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    Attack is still useful for THF. You can immediately tell the difference between a THF using Mithkabob/nothing and a thief using Red Curry Buns, and the difference is Significant.

    There is a certain point where you sacrifice too much for Attack speed. Using inferior weapons (Rapidus/Auric, as opposed to say, a STR-Magian) in the name of speed is one such going too far. you are significantly hindering your maximum possible damage-per-swing by equipping a weapon with 11 less base damage than a more useful counter-part (Rapidus vs. StR Magian), In theory your idea looks great, It shows you would attack faster so theoretically do more damage.

    In practice I think if you had two THFs of the Same quality, one in your Gear set with Auric/Rapid, and one in a simple "Capped Haste" Gear set using proper weapons (for arguments Sake, STR-KILA/Triplus), You would either fall break even or the other THF would out-damage you because, You may get 4 more attacks per 100 as the other THF, but when the Other THF is hitting for 75+dmg more on Crits, its going to even out.
    (Note: Not Exact Figures. Numbers Used were only as point making tools. not to be taken literally. These are not exact numbers).

    I hope you see I'm only making an Observation based provided information, And I'm in no way attempting to Insult you, Your Intelligence, Or your play Style. I am Merely giving my opinion on the Situation and hope you can understand that. You're very Passionate about your Playstyle, and are a lot smarter than most THFs, for that i respect you.
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    Last edited by Karbuncle; 03-19-2011 at 08:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karbuncle View Post
    I hope you see I'm only making an Observation based provided information, And I'm in no way attempting to Insult you, Your Intelligence, Or your play Style. I am Merely giving my opinion on the Situation and hope you can understand that. You're very Passionate about your Playstyle, and are a lot smarter than most THFs, for that i respect you.
    You never did anything like that, I was referring to Pesh. I know you're a nice guy ;p

    Numbers however do matter, I did notice a slight increase in damage with Mithkabobs, mostly on WS, not on average hits, a bit more with Yellow Curry, didn't try Red Curry yet. I wouldn't even call that significant, as I said, personally I only noticed it on WS, not at all on melee hits, although I didn't parse it, but I guess I'll do that sometime soon.

    And even Mithkabobs give 60 Attack (~15% increase over my standard Attack), not 16 (~4%), which should barely matter. A THFs crit damage is capped very low anyway (inside abyssea too, before damage increasing Atmas), not only because of generally low weapon damage, but also because of the inherently low weapon rank. Only Relic/Mythic/Empyrean and Angr Harpe exceed rank 4.

    Here's a parse of my THF in Abyssea - Uleguerand killing Spectators (was for over 8 hours, with a couple of unexpected naps in between):
    Target: Spectator
    Accuracy: 10327/10870 (95.0%)
    Damage Range: 17-200
    Average: 49.5
    Critical Hit Rate: 8269/10327 (80.0%)
    Critical Hit Damage Range: 86-983
    Critical Hit Average: 144.3
    Total Damage: 1294437

    (Notice the extremely beautiful accuracy and critical hit rate values^^)

    I'll repeat that sometime soon with Attack food and see how it will affect the total results, but as you can see average critical hit damage is roughly 3x melee hit, so if you factor out the critical hit damage bonus (~38%), that brings it to pretty much 2.1x melee damage for critical hits. For that matter, I could also repeat it using the other setup with Twilight/Triplus and see how far I'll get. I don't have a Kila, but since I'll never get one, I can't really test that.
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    Player Karbuncle's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    To big to quote and no Spoiler Options on this Website <This is the post you posted after my last post
    Convincing enough, Its refreshing to talk to someone who knows their stuff >.O

    I'll probably fool around with my sets a bit, Hell i carry like 7 daggers with me at all times, i enjoy playing around with them. So I'll probably make a few different TP Sets to see what i like the best. I like my 5/5 Build but I wouldn't mind trying the Full Haste/Dual Wield Maximum Build you listed... Actually sounds quite intriguing.


    Edit: Also, I simply love how Ocelot Looks, Maybe its because I'm a Mithra >.>; I'm just natural inclined to like feral-looking armor. The Pants are gaudy as FK but i like how the Gloves mesh.
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