Thie... Treasure Hunter ideas

[Pesh]

It's 16% haste in full AF3+2. I assume you counted Twilight Belt, although there's really no reason to use it on THF. AF3+2 head, body and legs, Homam Manopolas, Ballerines, Tiercel Necklace, Nusku's Sash. Any dagger combination between Auric, Triplus, Twilight and Rapidus works about equally well (personally I use Auric/Rapidus, may change Rapidus for Triplus when I get it).

Auric/Rapidus? Are you nuts? It isn't always about fast attacks. You need to justify the amount of damage you do per swing in relation to the TP you feed to the mob.

Secondly, Homam Manopolas? AF3+2 add 8 STR, 8 DEX, 12 Accuracy, 16 Attack... THF has always been cursed with a low attack rating, so its nice to have a piece of gear that gives us a pretty substantial boost.

The gear set-up you've listed sounds like you're focusing more on the fast attacks and neglecting the amount of damage you're dealing per attack.

Secondly, stacking DW gear lowers your TP gain per swing, so yes while you attack faster, you're still requiring more swings to get to 100.

Personally, I'd rather swing a tiny bit slower, hit harder and do massive WS damage compared to what sounds like a weaker set-up. Besides, the 31% TA and 20% DA rate makes up for the loss of 2.5% haste.

[Arcon]

Auric/Rapidus? Are you nuts? It isn't always about fast attacks. You need to justify the amount of damage you do per swing in relation to the TP you feed to the mob.

Auric/Rapidus is the fastest TP gain combination for THF (bar multihit weapons). With the set I posted above, it takes less than 15 seconds to get to 100% TP (without any supporters), which is 15% faster than Twilight/Triplus combination. Also you do most hits in that time (23 hits). And overall, you feed the mob least TP (because of the Subtle Blow on Auric for the most part), a total of 98.8% TP (in the time it takes me to get to 100% TP). Your proposed set deals 129.8% TP to the mob in the time it takes you to get to 100% TP, which is over 30% worse than mine.

Secondly, Homam Manopolas? AF3+2 add 8 STR, 8 DEX, 12 Accuracy, 16 Attack... THF has always been cursed with a low attack rating, so its nice to have a piece of gear that gives us a pretty substantial boost.

The gear set-up you've listed sounds like you're focusing more on the fast attacks and neglecting the amount of damage you're dealing per attack.

Yes, that's exactly what I do. Attack bonus is not nearly as important for THF as for other jobs, and even other jobs would profit from more haste over attack. People spend millions and devote months of farming and playing to get 1% or 2% Haste for a reason, because if you're not at cap, it is easily the best status attribute to push.

Secondly, stacking DW gear lowers your TP gain per swing, so yes while you attack faster, you're still requiring more swings to get to 100.

Yes, but with the lower delay it actually takes less time to get to 100% TP. Oddly enough, with Twilight/Triplus dagger, the 5% difference in Dual Wield from Nusku's Sash does not reduce your TP gain (4.49 TP/hit vs. 4.41 TP/hit, so rounded down both give 4.4 TP/hit), meaning you just attack faster, without sacrificing your TP gain. To prove a point though, let's look at the jump from 15% Dual Wield to 20% Dual Wield, which is more interesting. Assuming 24% Haste, Auric Dagger, Triplus Dagger, and 6 Store TP (from Rajas/Brutal) here's the stats from http://www.ffxiut.com/calc (if you wanna see for yourself).

20% Dual Wield:
Delay: 0.78 s
TP return: 4.5 TP/hit
x-Hit: 23 hits (22.2)
Time to 100% TP: 17.9 s
Enemy TP gain: 4.3 TP/hit
Total enemy TP: 98.8 TP

15% Dual Wield:
Delay: 0.85 s
TP return: 4.6 TP/hit
x-Hit: 22 hits (21.7)
Time to 100% TP: 18.7 s
Enemy TP gain: 4.8 TP/hit
Total enemy TP: 105.6 TP

Meaning not only do you get to 100% TP in less time, but also deal more damage in this shorter time because you're doing an additional hit. If you think the additional 16 Attack, which is less than 4% increase in your total Attack (and notice that a 4% increase in Attack does not mean a 4% increase in damage), during the melee phase makes up for a flat ~5% damage increase (not just melee, since you get to WS more often too), while also feeding less TP to the enemy (and have higher evasion too), then by all means, believe it. The math is there, make of it whatever you want.

Personally, I'd rather swing a tiny bit slower, hit harder and do massive WS damage compared to what sounds like a weaker set-up. Besides, the 31% TA and 20% DA rate makes up for the loss of 2.5% haste.

What does WS damage have to do with this? And I also have 31% TA and 11% DA (how the hell do you get 20%? There isn't that much DA gear for THF in the entire game), the only loss is 2% DA from Twilight Belt, from 13% to 11%.

I don't care much what it sounds like, the math is solid. You can play whichever way you want, the difference is marginal in the end, but don't talk down on others for their gear or playstyle.

Edit: Added values for enemy TP gain to the above example. There you can see that the latter would feed more TP to an enemey, give it 100% TP before you get that much. Without Auric Dagger the difference would be even higher.

[Pesh]

And I also have 31% TA and 11% DA (how the hell do you get 20%? There isn't that much DA gear for THF in the entire game), the only loss is 2% DA from Twilight Belt, from 13% to 11%.

Atheling, Brutal, Twilight, VV = 20%

And if you're so hump happy over Homam Hands, why aren't you using Ocelot?

[Arcon]

And if you're so hump happy over Homam Hands, why aren't you using Ocelot?

Because they look disgusting. Same as Ocelot Pants, which is why I even hate using them in my evasion set.

[Pesh]

Because they look disgusting. Same as Ocelot Pants, which is why I even hate using them in my evasion set.

So vanity trumps effectiveness now?

[Arcon]

So vanity trumps effectiveness now?

Always did.