Do you really think that little of your player base?

[Balloon]

It's not even a problem of being inaccessible to the playerbase. Give a laymans description, followed by a detailed description. Both players that understand and players that can't will be appreciative, one for being given a full answer that they understand and can accept, and the other for merely seeing that they're capable of giving a full detailed answer and that they don't treat their playerbase like children.

I just wanted to let you know that we understand everyone's viewpoints as to why swapping additional gear via macros would be favorable, and to some, it may not.

This was the pinnacle of their non-answery to me. Making the claim that it'd be some huge imposition if they added more macro pallets. Trying to coin their laziness in a way that claims to be beneficial to some. There's no problem with adding more gear swaps for anyone, it'd only help, those that don't want to use it wouldn't.

They opened these forums to give us the illusion we were contributing, but all they've really asked us for is what music we want for legion. Underneath it they are still the same stubborn dev team that they were in 2004.

[Zhronne]

This was the pinnacle of their non-answery to me. Making the claim that it'd be some huge imposition if they added more macro pallets. Trying to coin their laziness in a way that claims to be beneficial to some. There's no problem with adding more gear swaps for anyone, it'd only help, those that don't want to use it wouldn't.

It probably was an excuse, but it's true that (especially in japan) there are a considerable amount of players who are against the excessive gearswaps the game "requires" from the playerbase nowadays, especially for some jobs.

An idle set, a regen set, a refresh set, a movement speed set, a PDT set, an MDT set, a precast set, a postcast set, nuke set, debuffset, DD set, ws set, blah blah and countless variations of these sets.


It sure got to levels on a different scale compared to, say, the situation 5 years ago. This is for several reasons. I can think of the playerbase "growing up" and wishing to furtherly tweak their performance in-game, and because of SE offering countless new options of gear which are way too situational and can be used only for a couple of things.
This is especially evident for mage jobs.
I'm a complete mage noob, yet the amount of gear I have for my SCH and the amount of swaps I do gives me the headache.
Thinking about all the people who do that without spellcast just enhances these thoughts. (I don't, for instance)

So yeah, it's not just a couple of players, a considerable amount of players are against gearswapping.
As for my position I dunno, I'm a "slave" to the system of course, but while I really like a certain amount of gear swap, I also do think that nowadays' levels have definitely passed the line of acceptability, we really have too many situational pieces with very limited use. Some jobs are constantly swapping, it can understand some people getting annoyed by that.
Still, this is not something that can be fixed, it's too late, and certainly they cannot "fix" it by giving replies such as the one you mentioned, which is absolutely ridiculous of course.

[Balloon]

It probably was an excuse, but it's true that (especially in japan) there are a considerable amount of players who are against the excessive gearswaps the game "requires" from the playerbase nowadays, especially for some jobs.

An idle set, a regen set, a refresh set, a movement speed set, a PDT set, an MDT set, a precast set, a postcast set, nuke set, debuffset, DD set, ws set, blah blah and countless variations of these sets.


It sure got to levels on a different scale compared to, say, the situation 5 years ago. This is for several reasons. I can think of the playerbase "growing up" and wishing to furtherly tweak their performance in-game, and because of SE offering countless new options of gear which are way too situational and can be used only for a couple of things.
This is especially evident for mage jobs.
I'm a complete mage noob, yet the amount of gear I have for my SCH and the amount of swaps I do gives me the headache.
Thinking about all the people who do that without spellcast just enhances these thoughts. (I don't, for instance)

So yeah, it's not just a couple of players, a considerable amount of players are against gearswapping.
As for my position I dunno, I'm a "slave" to the system of course, but while I really like a certain amount of gear swap, I also do think that nowadays' levels have definitely passed the line of acceptability, we really have too many situational pieces with very limited use. Some jobs are constantly swapping, it can understand some people getting annoyed by that.
Still, this is not something that can be fixed, it's too late, and certainly they cannot "fix" it by giving replies such as the one you mentioned, which is absolutely ridiculous of course.

Even if it was true that there was too much gear swapping, which is something I personally love about the game, having more slots does not disadvantage anyone. They don't have to use them, at all. They could keep their macros exactly as they are, and those that want to use them can expand.

No problem.

[Zhronne]

Even if it was true that there was too much gear swapping, which is something I personally love about the game, having more slots does not disadvantage anyone. They don't have to use them, at all. They could keep their macros exactly as they are, and those that want to use them can expand.

No problem.

I absolutely agree with you, and that's why I said their reply makes no sense and that it doesn't fix/solve anything.
I was just saying that there actually *are* people who are against gearswap in general (I'm not one of them hey! I just said I think today there is way too much gearswaps than I'd like it to be), and wether or not they are bad players or good players (probably the first rather than the latter) they appearently are a considerable amount and of course developers need to take their opinion into some sort of consideration.

Still, is what they're doing the right solution? Of course not because adding more options wouldn't really change the choice of these people in any way, they would steel mantain their "right" to not use gearswaps or just us 6 lines, if they wanted to.
Unless they give us a technical or a gamedesign reply, the currently given reasons make absolutely no sense, there's little to discuss or disagree about that.

[Balloon]

I absolutely agree with you, and that's why I said their reply makes no sense and that it doesn't fix/solve anything.
I was just saying that there actually *are* people who are against gearswap in general (I'm not one of them hey! I just said I think today there is way too much gearswaps than I'd like it to be), and wether or not they are bad players or good players (probably the first rather than the latter) they appearently are a considerable amount and of course developers need to take their opinion into some sort of consideration.

Still, is what they're doing the right solution? Of course not because adding more options wouldn't really change the choice of these people in any way, they would steel mantain their "right" to not use gearswaps or just us 6 lines, if they wanted to.
Unless they give us a technical or a gamedesign reply, the currently given reasons make absolutely no sense, there's little to discuss or disagree about that.

I agree with you in the sense that if you want to utilise all the gear swap gear you must use Spellcast. Snapshot gear for instance. It's poor design at the end of the day.

[Ritsuka]

It probably was an excuse, but it's true that (especially in japan) there are a considerable amount of players who are against the excessive gearswaps the game "requires" from the playerbase nowadays, especially for some jobs.

An idle set, a regen set, a refresh set, a movement speed set, a PDT set, an MDT set, a precast set, a postcast set, nuke set, debuffset, DD set, ws set, blah blah and countless variations of these sets.


It sure got to levels on a different scale compared to, say, the situation 5 years ago. This is for several reasons. I can think of the playerbase "growing up" and wishing to furtherly tweak their performance in-game, and because of SE offering countless new options of gear which are way too situational and can be used only for a couple of things.
This is especially evident for mage jobs.
I'm a complete mage noob, yet the amount of gear I have for my SCH and the amount of swaps I do gives me the headache.
Thinking about all the people who do that without spellcast just enhances these thoughts. (I don't, for instance)

So yeah, it's not just a couple of players, a considerable amount of players are against gearswapping.
As for my position I dunno, I'm a "slave" to the system of course, but while I really like a certain amount of gear swap, I also do think that nowadays' levels have definitely passed the line of acceptability, we really have too many situational pieces with very limited use. Some jobs are constantly swapping, it can understand some people getting annoyed by that.
Still, this is not something that can be fixed, it's too late, and certainly they cannot "fix" it by giving replies such as the one you mentioned, which is absolutely ridiculous of course.

I think i remember reading some where that Square never intended people to do gear swiping with macro's. its just something ppl started to do to get nice damage with their job

[Zhronne]

I think i remember reading some where that Square never intended people to do gear swiping with macro's. its just something ppl started to do to get nice damage with their job

I remember them saying that but if you want to know what I think about it, I'd say that it sounds to me more like an excuse to avoid developing >6 lines macros, rather than what they really think.

They say that in interviews, but then they act in a completely different way when they develop updates (and new gear). Sounds to me they are lying.
If they really didn't want people to swapgear or wanted to limit it, they could have implemented countless of very easy method to block such behaviour or at least limit it.