Shaper's Shawl - Why?

[Vagrua]

Those retarded Torques certainly did nothing but piss me off, when did crafting become about farming chests in a zone for weeks, fishing and making worthless gear that only might become good through Synergy? Seriously, this is ridiculous.

I actually wouldn't mind farming a zone for weeks at a chance to receive the cape over the way it is now. I'm not saying I approve of them using chests to receive crafting items, but at least they made the cape level 1 instead of 70+ like the torques were. Crafters shouldn't have to level a job to improve their crafting imo. I would rather them have just increased the quantity of the items to be turned in to receive guild points and added them to the spending menu, but this is SE we're talking about.

[Karbuncle]

Powerful NM's require simply claiming and beating them, this requires getting fishing to 110, an ebisu rod, rare/ex bait in the bucket loads and a LOAD of luck... How is that even close?

+100000000000000000000000000

Fishers finally got something good and you ppl complaining? Stop and go farm damn gils and buy Matsya or skill up fishing! There was only gugs and liks and now they got Matsya ^^

Are you trolling? Fishing is one of them most profitable Crafts in the game at Cap. If not the most profitable, at least the most stable and secure income craft of all of them combined. Just next to Cooking.

Fishing is a treasure trove of easy gil, Hardest part to it, like any craft, Is capping it. Problem is there's a lot of restriction on fishing, making it hard to skill up.

I think the mistake was making the drop R/EX, If it was just R, It could be sold, and no one would be complaining, As it is now, You either have to be 30+ To do Inside the Belly, buying the fish, or 110+ With a lot of time and luck to get it yourself.

[Mooshywooshy]

I like it. Keepin the JP feel of the game alive! You've seen the Star Ocean 4 achievements, you know what im talkin about.

[SpankWustler]

I think the mistake was making the drop R/EX, If it was just R, It could be sold, and no one would be complaining, As it is now, You either have to be 30+ To do Inside the Belly, buying the fish, or 110+ With a lot of time and luck to get it yourself.

This.

Plus, fishermen would have the option of trying their own luck with the quest to sell the Shapely Shaper's Salmon Shaped Shawl or just selling the fish. One option would probably be much better than the other after about two weeks, but options are still cool.

[Kristal]

A 1~2% chance on getting this cape from a fish which is looking to cost upwards of 1M gil? Nice going.

That's just the rush price. Price should stabilize once the ROI is known.
This is a powerfull item that will save you a LOT of gil. Don't expect it to be cheap or easy to get.
It's probably going to end up on par with the cost for buying a relic.

[wish12oz]

That's just the rush price. Price should stabilize once the ROI is known.
This is a powerfull item that will save you a LOT of gil. Don't expect it to be cheap or easy to get.
It's probably going to end up on par with the cost for buying a relic.

Fishing is an easy 2mil/day from NPCs, the price of Matsuya will not drop below "average catchable rate per day divided by 2mil" or no one will catch them. It's basically a price control, if no one wants to pay more than 100k per matsuya, no one will fish matsuya, simple as that.

Average catchable rate is probably around 5-10 btw.

[Iceni]

Matsya does not require level 110 fishing skill nor an Ebisu. It's more on the order of the way fishing Liks and Gugrusaurus were a handful of years ago before the fishing rings came into being. Back then, you had to rely solely on Mooching guild key item and Dwarf Pugils/Drill Calamaries. Completing the Ebisu quest was indeed daunting once upon a time. I would not recommend fishing Matsya without an Ebisu because the break rate is high on Lushang thus wasting the time it took to obtain the baits.

I'm not sure if it is still possible fishing Matsya with Robber Rig. I did get Matsya bites on Robber Rig and Lushang years ago as it is the only fish that could have broken my Lushang back then. I swore I'd get an Ebisu first before trying to fish Matsya again. Robber Rigs are not cheap. I've had an Ebisu for a few years now, but never went back to fishing Matsya because more profitable legendary fish were added to take up my time.

I am raising fishing skill and opening the Inside the Belly Quest for a few of my crafting mules to take advantage of skilling other main and sub crafts. It's much more quicker to skill fishing from 0-to-30 with Pelican Ring and years of fishing know how. The mules already have at least level 10 fishing skill from the time they were used to help catch Moat Carp for the Lushang Rod.

If you never liked fishing in FFXI, then of course you will resent not being able to get Matsya cheaply or understand how much easier it is now to raise fishing. Fishing took about as long to cap as it did capping chocobo digging skills or getting to level 75 pre-Abbysea old school style.

[Godofgods]

Good morning fishers,

The Shaper’s Shawl was set to be a difficult to obtain reward on par with the rewards that could be obtained by defeating a powerful notorious monster and we do not have any plans of easing the difficulty. For that reason, there are no plans to obtain this item through any content other than "Inside the Belly".

Let me first just say... OMG! After like 100 different thread topics, the Dev's actually responded to one of mine! (now if they would just take the helping tarus thread to heart)

I don't even know what to say. Fishers have waited years for Matsya to be implemented in the "Inside the Belly" quest, and when it finally does players, most who haven't even picked up a fishing rod, feel the need to complain. Matsya finally got a reward worth doing in my opinion, and I see nothing wrong with it being for leveling other crafts faster.

Well i sure do.

I'm not complaining that fishers have something, just that this equipment is only obtainable by fishing. Fishing is not a traditional craft. And the traditional crafting skill+ item should be obtained by traditional crafts or guilds. Fishing is as much of a traditional craft as synergy is. Both may have their uses, and their money making potential, but their not traditional crafts. Hence the reason fishing and synergy skill caps are not related to traditional crafts caps.

As for ppl saying 'just go fish yourself or buy them.' That doesn't quite work. Their are a lot of crafters, including myself, that really hate fishing. So to that group, this item is just insulting. But to those that have no problem with it, leveling fishing from 1-100 or 110 and getting a Lu shang/ebshu just to get a crafting item is ludicrous. The time it would take to do that i could cap all traditional craft on all my mules faster then that.
Along the same line, buying them is just as insane. Prices on my server are starting at 1 mill per fish. Seriously? Were supposed to spend 5-10-20-50-100 mill to get a crafting item have a chance at getting a crafting item. I can tell you for sure, that iv capped all my crafts for cheaper then that.

Really, the only ppl this item is helping are those that already have high level fishing and ebshu. Not because they need the crafting item, but because they can sell the fish to the 'perfectionists' at such insanely high prices. (and wouldn't want to forget the gill buyers')

Id be willing to bet that noone saw this item and suddenly thought to themselves 'oh wow, i have to level all my crafts now!' For the most part the ppl that would be most interested in this item are those that already have most if not all their crafts leveled. That being said, if you already have most of it done, your not going to want to spend an eternity of time or money on an item that will provide minimal use.

[Sotek]

That's just the rush price. Price should stabilize once the ROI is known.
This is a powerfull item that will save you a LOT of gil. Don't expect it to be cheap or easy to get.
It's probably going to end up on par with the cost for buying a relic.

Care to post all those tests proving that this is a powerful item? What I expect from SE is nothing more than +1% skill up rate, or placebo. That's not necessarily bad, but it is given how you obtain this. Even if this was powerful though, it wouldn't be worth it.

I highly doubt this item will ever be worth the base cost of obtaining it. They wont fix that by making it so you can sell it either, after the initial buzz fishers wouldn't bother with the item and nobody would be able to obtain one short of leveling Fishing themselves, which is stupid. It would be infinitely more profitable for Fishers just to sell the fish than the cape itself, since the cape is going to have to be sold at fairly high amounts to ever make it worthwhile and this cape probably isn't worth that cost and wasting money on these fish only to go 0/43 is retarded.

If they made this a GP item like I've said, we'd have a nice little placebo item and everyone would likely be thanking the developers right now. As it is, I doubt anyone will ever really get any tests done on this (I expect the first will make note of direction) and it'll remain a waste of time and more importantly for Fishing, a waste of potential on Matsya.

Even if this does significantly improve your skill up rate, you're looking at ~25M to obtain one at the moment (800k~1M on my server at the moment, if anything it's closer to 50M), if people get them and show it does something significant, then demand for this fish is only going to increase and the price will never fall significantly. Likening it to a Relic is beyond stupid, sorry. I was unaware completed Relics dropped off single NMs, which this item has been compared to by the developers, no less. At best you can compare this to Dring, and even then, having a piece of gear to help with skill up be this rare is a pants-on-head retarded.

Stick this on Guild Points and give Fishers something worthwhile for Matsya. Problem solved and everyone is happy. Even if the cape is amazing, GPs wouldn't alienate crafters and you can easily work out a Gil:GPs value and estimate the time it would take to obtain it. If they slapped it with 1M GPs I'd have found "We wanted to make it as rare as a NM drop" far more acceptable than I do with this idiotic Fishing bullcrap.

[Godofgods]

I'm angry that Mythic Weapons are difficult.

The problem with the Shaper's Shawl has nothing to do with being difficult in my view. Its problem is that its so illogical.
- Its a traditional crafting skill+ item, not obtainable through crafting/guild.
- Buying would be a waste. At 1 mill a fish, the cost to maybe obtain the item would be incredibly more then the cost of skilling a craft to cap normally.