Shaper's Shawl - Why?

[Kari]

Fishers finally got something good and you ppl complaining? Stop and go farm damn gils and buy Matsya or skill up fishing! There was only gugs and liks and now they got Matsya ^^

I'd hardly call it "something good".

I'd rather spend my time fishing Hakuryus.
At least I'm guaranteed money, and it doesn't take nearly as much effort.

[Ragni]

Lol @ Kari

[Karbuncle]

Powerful NM's require simply claiming and beating them, this requires getting fishing to 110, an ebisu rod, rare/ex bait in the bucket loads and a LOAD of luck... How is that even close?

+100000000000000000000000000

Fishers finally got something good and you ppl complaining? Stop and go farm damn gils and buy Matsya or skill up fishing! There was only gugs and liks and now they got Matsya ^^

Are you trolling? Fishing is one of them most profitable Crafts in the game at Cap. If not the most profitable, at least the most stable and secure income craft of all of them combined. Just next to Cooking.

Fishing is a treasure trove of easy gil, Hardest part to it, like any craft, Is capping it. Problem is there's a lot of restriction on fishing, making it hard to skill up.

I think the mistake was making the drop R/EX, If it was just R, It could be sold, and no one would be complaining, As it is now, You either have to be 30+ To do Inside the Belly, buying the fish, or 110+ With a lot of time and luck to get it yourself.

[SpankWustler]

I think the mistake was making the drop R/EX, If it was just R, It could be sold, and no one would be complaining, As it is now, You either have to be 30+ To do Inside the Belly, buying the fish, or 110+ With a lot of time and luck to get it yourself.

This.

Plus, fishermen would have the option of trying their own luck with the quest to sell the Shapely Shaper's Salmon Shaped Shawl or just selling the fish. One option would probably be much better than the other after about two weeks, but options are still cool.

[Zuidar]

Good morning fishers,

The Shaper’s Shawl was set to be a difficult to obtain reward on par with the rewards that could be obtained by defeating a powerful notorious monster and we do not have any plans of easing the difficulty. For that reason, there are no plans to obtain this item through any content other than "Inside the Belly".

To me, I think one of the BIG things about this cape was that it can't be deliverable to the same-account characters that I am worried about and wonder why you can't even deliver to the mules on that same account. I've always wondered after seeing a cape from a craft that isn't synthesis and has nothing to do with it.

[Xerius]

Good morning fishers,

The Shaper’s Shawl was set to be a difficult to obtain reward on par with the rewards that could be obtained by defeating a powerful notorious monster and we do not have any plans of easing the difficulty. For that reason, there are no plans to obtain this item through any content other than "Inside the Belly".

I would agree if this if it were not for one thing "...obtain reward on par with the rewards that could be obtained by defeating a powerful notorious monster..." Tell me what "Powerful Notorious Monster" drops crafting related gear. This is not on par with Legion gear or Neo-Nyzul gear. This is crafting gear, those are battle gear. You should not be wearing this cape to battle therefore it is not "on par" with that gear and if you ask me there should be a difference between obtaining endgame gear and obtaining crafting gear and this whole million-sided-dice mentality that the dev's have developed recently is really starting to get old. I'm not saying that the best gear should be dropping for everyone, everytime 16 gather for an event but it should be dropping to someone every time. I love this game a lot, and I hate to see it on the slippery slope it's dancing on.

[Godofgods]

Good morning fishers,

The Shaper’s Shawl was set to be a difficult to obtain reward on par with the rewards that could be obtained by defeating a powerful notorious monster and we do not have any plans of easing the difficulty. For that reason, there are no plans to obtain this item through any content other than "Inside the Belly".

Let me first just say... OMG! After like 100 different thread topics, the Dev's actually responded to one of mine! (now if they would just take the helping tarus thread to heart)

I don't even know what to say. Fishers have waited years for Matsya to be implemented in the "Inside the Belly" quest, and when it finally does players, most who haven't even picked up a fishing rod, feel the need to complain. Matsya finally got a reward worth doing in my opinion, and I see nothing wrong with it being for leveling other crafts faster.

Well i sure do.

I'm not complaining that fishers have something, just that this equipment is only obtainable by fishing. Fishing is not a traditional craft. And the traditional crafting skill+ item should be obtained by traditional crafts or guilds. Fishing is as much of a traditional craft as synergy is. Both may have their uses, and their money making potential, but their not traditional crafts. Hence the reason fishing and synergy skill caps are not related to traditional crafts caps.

As for ppl saying 'just go fish yourself or buy them.' That doesn't quite work. Their are a lot of crafters, including myself, that really hate fishing. So to that group, this item is just insulting. But to those that have no problem with it, leveling fishing from 1-100 or 110 and getting a Lu shang/ebshu just to get a crafting item is ludicrous. The time it would take to do that i could cap all traditional craft on all my mules faster then that.
Along the same line, buying them is just as insane. Prices on my server are starting at 1 mill per fish. Seriously? Were supposed to spend 5-10-20-50-100 mill to get a crafting item have a chance at getting a crafting item. I can tell you for sure, that iv capped all my crafts for cheaper then that.

Really, the only ppl this item is helping are those that already have high level fishing and ebshu. Not because they need the crafting item, but because they can sell the fish to the 'perfectionists' at such insanely high prices. (and wouldn't want to forget the gill buyers')

Id be willing to bet that noone saw this item and suddenly thought to themselves 'oh wow, i have to level all my crafts now!' For the most part the ppl that would be most interested in this item are those that already have most if not all their crafts leveled. That being said, if you already have most of it done, your not going to want to spend an eternity of time or money on an item that will provide minimal use.

[Theytak]

Good morning fishers,

The Shaper’s Shawl was set to be a difficult to obtain reward on par with the rewards that could be obtained by defeating a powerful notorious monster and we do not have any plans of easing the difficulty. For that reason, there are no plans to obtain this item through any content other than "Inside the Belly".

So, basically, the dev's are playing the "This is the way we want it, and we don't care what you think" card. That's totally unacceptable. The artificial difficulty here is several orders of magnitude more greater than that of the artificial difficulty of log watch. It doesn't take an incredibly large amount of time to get up to the end tier of VW, and once you're there, you can spam the NM you want repeatedly, for hours on end, to get your shot at that 1~5% drop rate. The time investment is there, but it's not even remotely on par with the time investment require to catch this fish, and it really stands as a very bad insult to every crafter who has no interest in fishing that one of the most useful items for synth-crafting ever to be added to the game would come from one of the skills that DOESN'T USE SYNTHESIS.

I love fishing, I really do, but fishing is separate from crafting, and it should not be the source of this cape. It's utterly ridiculous on so many different levels, and there's absolutely no way this should be acceptable.

[Kaisha]

Sometimes I wonder why these things weren't implemented as an intentional means of weeding out fishbotters.

[Sotek]

A 1~2% chance on getting this cape from a fish which is looking to cost upwards of 1M gil? Nice going.

You know what crafters really wanted? Improved skill up rates. Giving us that, like this, is nothing short of insulting. I'm sorry but you don't make 110 cost literally billions of gil (and give it very little payoffs at that) then give us some hope with an item like this, only to implement it in possibly the worst way imaginable.

I swear, I can't remember the last time I saw a crafting related update and actually felt happy for it. I guess the crafting stalls are the closest, but I'm still pretty peeved that a 15k GPs item was allowed to easily trump the 100k/150k items. Those retarded Torques certainly did nothing but piss me off, when did crafting become about farming chests in a zone for weeks, fishing and making worthless gear that only might become good through Synergy? Seriously, this is ridiculous.