BST nerf please

[Demon6324236]

So much crying over a solo job NOBODY wants in a party being able to solo. Who needs devs to cry balance when the playerbase does it so often even to the jobs NOBODY wants....... a sad, sad, way this game is in.




Except, in your view it's still OP, or does difficulty of making an OP weapon/shield suddenly change that in your mind?

Yes, naked BST=no difficulty, Ochain PLD=High Difficulty. You work for things you deserve reward and in some cases, ease. You are nude or undergeared and simply walk through the same things with little to no more difficulty, no.

[Camiie]

SMN=Level skills, acquiring gear, summon pet, keep MP up, watch it kill.
BST=Use a pet, watch it kill.

Bullshit. Utter ignorant bullshit. Try that anywhere without the right atmas or without a considerable level difference between the mobs and the pet. If you don't have your BST geared properly you and your pet will get smoked like a cheap cigar. Not only are you ignorant, but you're highly insulting to anyone who's put effort into their BST like I have. Please just stop now. Listen to someone with actual experience with the job. It doesn't work the way you claim.

[Demon6324236]

Bullshit. Utter ignorant bullshit. Try that anywhere without the right atmas or without a considerable level difference between the mobs and the pet. If you don't have your BST geared properly you and your pet will get smoked like a cheap cigar. Not only are you ignorant, but you're highly insulting to anyone who's put effort into their BST like I have. Please just stop now. Listen to someone with actual experience with the job. It doesn't work the way you claim.

In basics yes. As I said a BST needs no skilling and needs no gearing to perform where as SMN, PUP, both do. SMN without skilling summoning magic, avatars, and the gear for it is not very good. PUP without attachments, frames, and gear, is not very good. BST naked using a jug pet, is decent and easily kept up with reward/dawns, it starts strong, but can get stronger. Part of what your getting wrong is that its not necessarily about your BST being geared, its about BSTs who arnt geared. A BST poorly geared performing well, thats what this is about, if your well geared good, I would think it would be equally insulting to you that someone naked can still perform on your job decently.

[SNK]

Pointless thread is pointless

[Calamity]

Ok, "decently" is the term I keep seeing thrown around. And here's my comparison, a naked bst with a jug pet is really about the same as a naked sam with a gk spamming shoha. Sam is another job that requires almost no skill to perform decently with and the total overpowering of Shoha just adds to this. Now, let's say this naked sam suddenly geared up, added ws gear and a tp set, this same sam who was performing "decently" before is suddenly a powerful force. The same can be said for bst. A well geared bst should be able to to far more damage than the pet he commands. Any bst who is getting the majority of his DD out of his pet is no bst at all. I for one am not insulted by the bandwagon bsts, I barely acknowledge them at all. They will never ever be able to come close to the power of a real bst without real effort.

And everyone keeps using dynamis as an example of how overpowered bst is. Last I checked, dynamis isn't hard. Not at all. Bst can hold 6 mobs at once? Well hey, I've seen plds and thfs and dncs and nins and even a mnk every now and then, do the exact same thing. So clearly they're overpowered right?

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Yes, naked BST=no difficulty, Ochain PLD=High Difficulty. You work for things you deserve reward and in some cases, ease. You are nude or undergeared and simply walk through the same things with little to no more difficulty, no.

That's absurd. Difficulty or not the issue people have will exist for BST or PLD. The issue is hording enemies, the same thing that exists in today's Book Burns, Fell Cleave parties etc....

Want a fix for that? Ask SE to change how it works on a wide scale, NOT for one job.

It's already simple enough for BST. Only two cam be claimed, kill the remaining yourself.

Ok, "decently" is the term I keep seeing thrown around. And here's my comparison, a naked bst with a jug pet is really about the same as a naked sam with a gk spamming shoha. Sam is another job that requires almost no skill to perform decently with and the total overpowering of Shoha just adds to this. Now, let's say this naked sam suddenly geared up, added ws gear and a tp set, this same sam who was performing "decently" before is suddenly a powerful force. The same can be said for bst. A well geared bst should be able to to far more damage than the pet he commands. Any bst who is getting the majority of his DD out of his pet is no bst at all. I for one am not insulted by the bandwagon bsts, I barely acknowledge them at all. They will never ever be able to come close to the power of a real bst without real effort.

And everyone keeps using dynamis as an example of how overpowered bst is. Last I checked, dynamis isn't hard. Not at all. Bst can hold 6 mobs at once? Well hey, I've seen plds and thfs and dncs and nins and even a mnk every now and then, do the exact same thing. So clearly they're overpowered right?

Level 75 content that they think just because it was edited it's now unacceptable for a level 99 job to do so well in.

Pu those naked BST against VW, Abyssea NM's and even older HNM's and they will completely fail.... Not to mention I've NEVER seen a naked BST in Dynamis.

[Aldersyde]

In basics yes. As I said a BST needs no skilling and needs no gearing to perform where as SMN, PUP, both do. SMN without skilling summoning magic, avatars, and the gear for it is not very good. PUP without attachments, frames, and gear, is not very good. BST naked using a jug pet, is decent and easily kept up with reward/dawns, it starts strong, but can get stronger. Part of what your getting wrong is that its not necessarily about your BST being geared, its about BSTs who arnt geared. A BST poorly geared performing well, thats what this is about, if your well geared good, I would think it would be equally insulting to you that someone naked can still perform on your job decently.

Somehow, even if there was a concession that bst pets should be affected by some kind of skill level, I still don't think it would satisfy people calling for a bst nerf. The whole argument is smoke. What it really boils down to is that people are still pissed that bst is one of the most efficient jobs in dynamis, especially if you don't want to share drops. People have to accept that some jobs do certain events better than others and move on; hell I have to every time I have to change jobs to do a party-oriented event because bst is usually just the last, last resort when a final slot needs to be filled.

How would they even implement some kind of skill system anyway? When call beast is used on its five minute timer? On ready moves which have a charge system AND a TP requirement? Melee hits? When pets evade hits? What about people who already have bst at 99? Do they suddenly have to skill-up their pet abilities? How do you make new bsts "earn" their pets without hurting people who have played bst for years? Sorry, that's a silly question...because the point is to hurt the job itself.

What will be the next excuse for a nerf when people skill up their pets and other people are still pissed that bsts are still one of the best currency farming jobs? And don't go saying it isn't about dynamis, because it is. Thumping level 75 content? Who cares? Vrtra? No one did Vrtra at 75. Ditto for Jorm. Tiamat is still botted, so I say if someone can get a claim on her, they can kill it any damn way they please. I see way more thfs and dncs soloing sky triggers than I see bst. Limbus? Hell, why not? It's not like many people do limbus at all, even with the Neo-bosses. Empty nearly every time I check the zones. Bst can do behemoth ksnm. Can't do wyrm or tortoise. If I left out anything, it's because it's totally irrelevant. So there you have it. Bst has an advantage over other jobs in that it can solo behemoth and run rampant in dynamis. I can't see people really having their panties in a bunch over just the behemoth, so it has to boil down to dynamis.

Your beef is really with the dynamis proc system. Stop calling for job nerfs.

[SNK]

Yes, naked BST=no difficulty, Ochain PLD=High Difficulty. You work for things you deserve reward and in some cases, ease. You are nude or undergeared and simply walk through the same things with little to no more difficulty, no.

Because a PLD in anything these days is seriously needed as much as a BST is needed in an alliance.... oh wait...

[Luvbunny]

Yes, naked BST=no difficulty, Ochain PLD=High Difficulty. You work for things you deserve reward and in some cases, ease. You are nude or undergeared and simply walk through the same things with little to no more difficulty, no.

Your argument is totally pointless, you have no clue how the job works AT ALL. You are very biased toward beast master job just because their jug pets can actually deal rather good damage. This same very argument is extremely true at 75 where even match or tough mob charmed and then two houred via "familiar" command will do just as much damage as the current jug pets. If you never play or level the jobs, stop calling for a nerf unless you want Paladin to be nerfed to oblivion as well in return. Just because you have no clue how to farm efficiently for dynamis, no need to get overly jealous if others took the somewhat easy route and actually lvl beast master even if they are geared decently. Crappy beast will hold no candle over one that is a career beast master who actually WORKED hard to get their gears.

[Neisan_Quetz]

What the hell is going on this thread