BST nerf please

[Aldersyde]

In basics yes. As I said a BST needs no skilling and needs no gearing to perform where as SMN, PUP, both do. SMN without skilling summoning magic, avatars, and the gear for it is not very good. PUP without attachments, frames, and gear, is not very good. BST naked using a jug pet, is decent and easily kept up with reward/dawns, it starts strong, but can get stronger. Part of what your getting wrong is that its not necessarily about your BST being geared, its about BSTs who arnt geared. A BST poorly geared performing well, thats what this is about, if your well geared good, I would think it would be equally insulting to you that someone naked can still perform on your job decently.

Somehow, even if there was a concession that bst pets should be affected by some kind of skill level, I still don't think it would satisfy people calling for a bst nerf. The whole argument is smoke. What it really boils down to is that people are still pissed that bst is one of the most efficient jobs in dynamis, especially if you don't want to share drops. People have to accept that some jobs do certain events better than others and move on; hell I have to every time I have to change jobs to do a party-oriented event because bst is usually just the last, last resort when a final slot needs to be filled.

How would they even implement some kind of skill system anyway? When call beast is used on its five minute timer? On ready moves which have a charge system AND a TP requirement? Melee hits? When pets evade hits? What about people who already have bst at 99? Do they suddenly have to skill-up their pet abilities? How do you make new bsts "earn" their pets without hurting people who have played bst for years? Sorry, that's a silly question...because the point is to hurt the job itself.

What will be the next excuse for a nerf when people skill up their pets and other people are still pissed that bsts are still one of the best currency farming jobs? And don't go saying it isn't about dynamis, because it is. Thumping level 75 content? Who cares? Vrtra? No one did Vrtra at 75. Ditto for Jorm. Tiamat is still botted, so I say if someone can get a claim on her, they can kill it any damn way they please. I see way more thfs and dncs soloing sky triggers than I see bst. Limbus? Hell, why not? It's not like many people do limbus at all, even with the Neo-bosses. Empty nearly every time I check the zones. Bst can do behemoth ksnm. Can't do wyrm or tortoise. If I left out anything, it's because it's totally irrelevant. So there you have it. Bst has an advantage over other jobs in that it can solo behemoth and run rampant in dynamis. I can't see people really having their panties in a bunch over just the behemoth, so it has to boil down to dynamis.

Your beef is really with the dynamis proc system. Stop calling for job nerfs.

[Luvbunny]

OK you choose the hard mode, which is YOUR choice, so be happy for it. Other people choose the easy mode, which is THEIR choice, so get used to it. Hey if you want to feel like you earn it, by all means, do it. This game is nothing but grind grind grind grind grind and more grind. Smart people take advantage of short cut and avoid the grind trap. Why bother taking the long hard road when an easy way out is presenting itself. I got 2/3 of my black belt items this way, with beast master and summoner, but go with normal set up on turtle and still yet getting that items. Being able to low man the bcnm is PRICELESS!!!

[Alikhat]

The problem with attaching some kind of skill level requirements to the job is that it would only be a temporary set back. It may deter a few less-than-bothered players from taking up the job but it's not that difficult to get it up if you really wanted to. And considering that BST is as powerful as it is, the rewards for players that take it up would probably see them through it. The only reason I'd like to see such a requirement is to even out the playing field with the other jobs that have to push through that set back.

Other people like me, look at the cheatcode and ignore it, we want to earn our stuff and have a challenge. My Excalibur for example, sure I could go out and do BST, make more AC, have it all easy and fly through it, instead I do it the right way, I do it on my RDM. Its challenging, its fun, its geared well and that shows while I play it and make it though my fights.

This is why I play the game. I mostly do things with my partner and a mutual friend, and occasionally do things with PUGs/linkshells, though I do often like to solo too. I couldn't care less that someone decided to level BST to farm their empy or relic weapon because it was the easy option (sometimes, even I like to take the easy option from time to time). If that makes them feel like a decent player then more power to them. It doesn't affect me in the slightest. My own personal experiences are what makes me the type of player I am and that's where I get my enjoyment in this game. And to be quite honest, these players only copy and do what others before them have long since achieved. They'd fall over backwards if they tried anything original or remotely difficult (as far as that word can be applied to the game, before someone goes on the "this game isn't hard" rant).

The only thing that annoys me is the arrogance of these players who feel like they are above everyone else and can't seem to grasp the concept of common decency. But that's a player base issue, not an issue caused by the job itself. I've even stopped feeling threatened by a BST in the dyna camp I am in, simpy because I make use of less favourable camps or move to decent challenge mobs. It made me laugh a little when I realised that most of the BSTs in the zone don't actually use them because they're probably unsuccessful there.

I do agree that some of the jug pets I've seen are a little overpowered with regards to individual hits (seeing Falcorr hit for 250-300 a swing and having triple attack, is a little silly sometimes) but I can chew through EP/DC in dyna faster than most of the BSTs realise what day it is and when you weigh things up they do have a cost and it's only really decent BSTs that are capable of doing more than what you commonly see (bar Abyssea related content but that's incomparable in my opinion). Of course, I do dynamis on THF mostly, or BLU which really is strong against trash mobs (and with some decent MP management/choosing mobs appropriately can go all night without struggle). I could see an issue if you were comparing RDM DD with a jug pet.

Considering that BST is pretty useless in anything that matters, it's hard not to sympathise with the job itself, it should be left to be at least good at what it can do (even if 5k HP for a pet is a bit silly). If anything, I'd prefer to see a bit more balancing between the jugs themselves. I find it sad that there's such a repertoire of available pets to choose from but only a select few ever get used, especially once you hit 99. It really shows how bad SE is at making, and keeping, things relevant.

Do feel free to /slap arrogant individuals who don't understand playing nicely, though. Because that really is the biggest problem with players of the job.

[Natenn]

OK you choose the hard mode, which is YOUR choice, so be happy for it. Other people choose the easy mode, which is THEIR choice, so get used to it. Hey if you want to feel like you earn it, by all means, do it. This game is nothing but grind grind grind grind grind and more grind. Smart people take advantage of short cut and avoid the grind trap. Why bother taking the long hard road when an easy way out is presenting itself. I got 2/3 of my black belt items this way, with beast master and summoner, but go with normal set up on turtle and still yet getting that items. Being able to low man the bcnm is PRICELESS!!!

What you deem hard mode is actually having common sense and basic knowledge of how to gear/play jobs. This easy mode you speak of is what i call being a slob, cause thats what most BSTs i see are: slobs. 5/5 Perle and talk a big game bc of OP pet.

[Randwolf]

If we're bringing out the nerf stick, Ochain Paladins in Dynamis need one, also. I've seen them aggro multiple, a lot, of mobs. Then stand there and get beat on while stocking up MP. AOE weapon skilling the mobs over and over, while another player continues to gather more mobs and bring them back to the PLD and positions them so that the PLD's AOE hits the newly pulled mobs. Takes almost no skill whatsoever and the duo gets way too many drops for the amount of effort put in.

I'll add more nerfs we need later. Because, it makes me mad when someone else's job is 'overpowered.'

[Demon6324236]

Except Ochain is the hardest Emp in the game to make next to the Harp, the PLD has to be geared fairly well I would think, and probably isn't procing many if any mobs. If they arnt procing them then honestly you would need to throw in WAR as well with Fell Cleave as I'm sure a PDT WAR & a PDT RDM could do that without any problem at all, simply FC the same as you would in Abyssea with more PDT to make up for not having atma.

Come to think of it a smart FC group could probably FC Dyna... RDM spam diaga for procs in magic time, WAR spam FC for WS time, have WAR and RDM /DNC for when JA time comes. All would be somewhat fast depending on luck of procs and you could move between 2~3 types of mobs due to the small distance between mobs in Dynamis.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

So much crying over a solo job NOBODY wants in a party being able to solo. Who needs devs to cry balance when the playerbase does it so often even to the jobs NOBODY wants....... a sad, sad, way this game is in.

Except Ochain is the hardest Emp in the game to make next to the Harp, the PLD has to be geared fairly well I would think, and probably isn't procing many if any mobs. If they arnt procing them then honestly you would need to throw in WAR as well with Fell Cleave as I'm sure a PDT WAR & a PDT RDM could do that without any problem at all, simply FC the same as you would in Abyssea with more PDT to make up for not having atma.

Come to think of it a smart FC group could probably FC Dyna... RDM spam diaga for procs in magic time, WAR spam FC for WS time, have WAR and RDM /DNC for when JA time comes. All would be somewhat fast depending on luck of procs and you could move between 2~3 types of mobs due to the small distance between mobs in Dynamis.

Except, in your view it's still OP, or does difficulty of making an OP weapon/shield suddenly change that in your mind?

[Demon6324236]

So much crying over a solo job NOBODY wants in a party being able to solo. Who needs devs to cry balance when the playerbase does it so often even to the jobs NOBODY wants....... a sad, sad, way this game is in.




Except, in your view it's still OP, or does difficulty of making an OP weapon/shield suddenly change that in your mind?

Yes, naked BST=no difficulty, Ochain PLD=High Difficulty. You work for things you deserve reward and in some cases, ease. You are nude or undergeared and simply walk through the same things with little to no more difficulty, no.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Yes, naked BST=no difficulty, Ochain PLD=High Difficulty. You work for things you deserve reward and in some cases, ease. You are nude or undergeared and simply walk through the same things with little to no more difficulty, no.

That's absurd. Difficulty or not the issue people have will exist for BST or PLD. The issue is hording enemies, the same thing that exists in today's Book Burns, Fell Cleave parties etc....

Want a fix for that? Ask SE to change how it works on a wide scale, NOT for one job.

It's already simple enough for BST. Only two cam be claimed, kill the remaining yourself.

Ok, "decently" is the term I keep seeing thrown around. And here's my comparison, a naked bst with a jug pet is really about the same as a naked sam with a gk spamming shoha. Sam is another job that requires almost no skill to perform decently with and the total overpowering of Shoha just adds to this. Now, let's say this naked sam suddenly geared up, added ws gear and a tp set, this same sam who was performing "decently" before is suddenly a powerful force. The same can be said for bst. A well geared bst should be able to to far more damage than the pet he commands. Any bst who is getting the majority of his DD out of his pet is no bst at all. I for one am not insulted by the bandwagon bsts, I barely acknowledge them at all. They will never ever be able to come close to the power of a real bst without real effort.

And everyone keeps using dynamis as an example of how overpowered bst is. Last I checked, dynamis isn't hard. Not at all. Bst can hold 6 mobs at once? Well hey, I've seen plds and thfs and dncs and nins and even a mnk every now and then, do the exact same thing. So clearly they're overpowered right?

Level 75 content that they think just because it was edited it's now unacceptable for a level 99 job to do so well in.

Pu those naked BST against VW, Abyssea NM's and even older HNM's and they will completely fail.... Not to mention I've NEVER seen a naked BST in Dynamis.

[SNK]

Yes, naked BST=no difficulty, Ochain PLD=High Difficulty. You work for things you deserve reward and in some cases, ease. You are nude or undergeared and simply walk through the same things with little to no more difficulty, no.

Because a PLD in anything these days is seriously needed as much as a BST is needed in an alliance.... oh wait...