On Red Mage melee...

[saevel]

Did Tiger NM today for body seals.

BLM/RDM (no /BRD leveled)
NIN/DNC (was just helping)
WHM/SCH (me)
THF/DNC
DNC/NIN (don't ask he had a pop set)

Out of four NM pops here are the results.
NM #1: Yellow Proced, 2 seals dropped
NM #2: Not Proced, 0 seals dropped (nothing dropped)
NM #3: Yellow Proced, 4 seals dropped
NM #4: Yellow Proced, 3 seals dropped

THF had Relic +2 hands, Emp +2 feet and TK in off hand, would proc to at least TH8 on every fight.

I'd say procing yellow was pretty damn important, I'd even say not procing yellow would be a complete waste of time.

If you absolutely HAD to go "duo" then THF/NIN + BLM/WHM or BLM/SCH period, end of story. During that entire fight I didn't have to cast more then a Cure III. At 99 a THF has such high evasion and evasion gear that they would rarely even be hit, with minimal healing they could easily kill any NM while also having a large chance at getting a yellow proc. If we're talking blue then it depends if it's a drive by killing (Loki's ect..) or a poped NM (Ocelot ect..). If it's drive by the just throw TH at it until it drops, if you get luck you can proc it. If it's a planned pop, why in the hell would you not plan out to have the appropriate procing jobs available prior to poping it. You would seriously throw away an EE, Lacovia or Chloris pop on the low ball chance you happen to get the R/EX drop anyway? I've done more Chloris's then I ever want to remember, something like 300+ now, those hands have a low drop rate without blue proc. Lacovie is stingy as hell on that belt without blue proc, heck he's stingy even with blue proc. That's just with the Tahrongi zone NMs, there are still 8 other zones and the Shinyru fight.

So please tell the entire forum how you'd like to throw away you and your partners pop sets just so you can prove how great embrava is on SCH.

In the entire time I've been doing abyssea, I've never once heard SCH being asked for. My LS's resident SCH is asked to come on BLM or MNK constantly to events. SCH ... overshadowing WHM ... wow ... just ... wow.

[scaevola]

Did Tiger NM today for body seals.

BLM/RDM (no /BRD leveled)
NIN/DNC (was just helping)
WHM/SCH (me)
THF/DNC
DNC/NIN (don't ask he had a pop set)

Out of four NM pops here are the results.
NM #1: Yellow Proced, 2 seals dropped
NM #2: Not Proced, 0 seals dropped (nothing dropped)
NM #3: Yellow Proced, 4 seals dropped
NM #4: Yellow Proced, 3 seals dropped

THF had Relic +2 hands, Emp +2 feet and TK in off hand, would proc to at least TH8 on every fight.

I'd say procing yellow was pretty damn important, I'd even say not procing yellow would be a complete waste of time.

If you absolutely HAD to go "duo" then THF/NIN + BLM/WHM or BLM/SCH period, end of story. During that entire fight I didn't have to cast more then a Cure III. At 99 a THF has such high evasion and evasion gear that they would rarely even be hit, with minimal healing they could easily kill any NM while also having a large chance at getting a yellow proc. If we're talking blue then it depends if it's a drive by killing (Loki's ect..) or a poped NM (Ocelot ect..). If it's drive by the just throw TH at it until it drops, if you get luck you can proc it. If it's a planned pop, why in the hell would you not plan out to have the appropriate procing jobs available prior to poping it. You would seriously throw away an EE, Lacovia or Chloris pop on the low ball chance you happen to get the R/EX drop anyway? I've done more Chloris's then I ever want to remember, something like 300+ now, those hands have a low drop rate without blue proc. Lacovie is stingy as hell on that belt without blue proc, heck he's stingy even with blue proc. That's just with the Tahrongi zone NMs, there are still 8 other zones and the Shinyru fight.

So please tell the entire forum how you'd like to throw away you and your partners pop sets just so you can prove how great embrava is on SCH.

In the entire time I've been doing abyssea, I've never once heard SCH being asked for. My LS's resident SCH is asked to come on BLM or MNK constantly to events. SCH ... overshadowing WHM ... wow ... just ... wow.

Leaving aside the issue that

1) whoever needed seals wasted the time of anyone who didn't by dragging them along to kill something they could have handled without them,

2) that person/people could have just gone out and gotten kills in without waiting up for other people for omg procs and even waiting a half an hour means a round of kills they didn't get on account of waiting,

3) just like you don't pay $13 for other people to tell you how to play red mage, I don't pay $13 a month to stand around Port Jeuno shouting/beg my LS mates for handjobs, and

4) the majority of time anybody spends in Abyssea these days is spent making Emp weapons for which procs other than red are irrelevant,

your group wouldn't have been better off with you as a SCH/RDM rather than WHM/SCH because ___

[Llana_Virren]

1) whoever needed seals wasted the time of anyone who didn't by dragging them along to kill something they could have handled without them,

Because no one actually voluntarily helps friends out anymore or plays a MULTIPLAYER game to play with other people....

2) that person/people could have just gone out and gotten kills in without waiting up for other people for omg procs and even waiting a half an hour means a round of kills they didn't get on account of waiting,

I must have missed the part where he said ANYTHING about having to waiting for anything...?
Of course, 2 rounds of 2 drops beats 3 rounds of no drops... just sayin'.

3) just like you don't pay $13 for other people to tell you how to play red mage, I don't pay $13 a month to stand around Port Jeuno shouting/beg my LS mates for handjobs,

Ok, yeah I just re-read the post, and I still can't find where he said anything about waiting for or begging people to help... so would you mind fabricating that for me? Thanks!

[scaevola]

Because no one actually voluntarily helps friends out anymore or plays a MULTIPLAYER game to play with other people....

If you have multiple people, go do something that you couldn't do solo. The entire reason the Abyssea proc system exists is to give you a reason to not solo or dual-box literally everything, but just because there's an actual reason to drag along people you don't need doesn't mean you aren't wasting their time just the same.

I must have missed the part where he said ANYTHING about having to waiting for anything...?
Of course, 2 rounds of 2 drops beats 3 rounds of no drops... just sayin'.

He was questioning why anybody would go to solo something without magic procs. 3 rounds of no drops (which would be rare enough to not expect) is still better than not doing anything in that time because your pocket BLM would rather do something that benefits her.

Ok, yeah I just re-read the post, and I still can't find where he said anything about waiting for or begging people to help... so would you mind fabricating that for me? Thanks!

When talking about playing with other people, I should hope it's implied that you're doing so at a time convenient for all parties, not just you. This necessarily involves waiting, unless you've got 3 or 4 other people completely wrapped around your finger, ready to drop anything and do whatever you want at a moment's notice (which might be what some folks have going but I personally find distasteful).

Again, there may be some reason to schedule your limited free time around other people playing this game, but Abyssea procs are not it. Most DDs can pick a time when they have a solid 1 in 3 or 4 shot of landing blue !! and only need to get the relevant drop once, and you simply don't need enough seals/+2 items in the long term to sweat it. So the group of five targets Yaguarogui and gets done in 2 hours over one night what it takes the soloer 6 hours over the course of a week to finish. Who cares? They both get their stuff by the end of the week.

Empyrean weapons may be another matter, but the only thing that matters there is red, and if you were really serious about it NIN/WAR can solo most of your potential KI mobs with no difficulty.