[dev1049] New weapon skills

[SpankWustler]

I don't mind only being able to improve three of the new weaponskills to the point of "not sucking that horribly" through merits, but using merits to unlock them will be a miserable experience if these weaponskills ever become part of any proc system.

Like a good conspiracy theory about lizard people eating non-lizard people, everything is connected!

[Dfoley]

I really dislike the way they did these WS. The fact that you are stuck unlocking only 3 or if you are to unlock more you rightfully gimp them all. You can only be on one weapon skill table at a time so this is just trying to force players to specialize on fewer jobs.

I was actually kind of hoping thats how t3 merits would be. Make them so powerful that they can only justify you getting it for 3 jobs.

[brayen]

I was actually kind of hoping thats how t3 merits would be. Make them so powerful that they can only justify you getting it for 3 jobs.

The thing is those are tied to individual jobs, these are weapon specific, so not really tied to anything, sort of like attribute, you are forced to pick one. So for example: i can unlock GA, GK, and Polearm, and max them out but then i am left with nothing for my MNK and PUP or i can gimp one of the other jobs just to have access to a gimped out weaponskill and so on.

again really dislike that, they take lots of merits too so i cant just change based on the job i will be using before i exit my mog like i do with combat merits already.

[Dragoy]

Can you change the language of your client, or does it auto-detects the settings on your Square-Enix account?

The installation language depends of the installer.

I doubt even for the non-Japanese ones only the POL viewer would be enough, one would likely need the installation files for the game and non-downloadable expansions at least as well.

[Insaniac]

Why do people always say this ? What's wrong with making choices and make certains aspects of your jobs as good as possible ?

It's an impossible debate, since there will always be pro and con.

"You have SAM?"
"Yes."
"Did you spend months getting perfect gear for it?"
"Yes."
"You have the new WS 5/5?"
"No I maxed HtH Polearm and Bow"
"Please come on another job"

If you take the time to level and gear a job there is no reason you should have to gimp it for the sake of other jobs. There is no upside to forcing people to only max out 3 WSs. This game is content starved and being able to spend and extra ELEVEN-HUNDRED merits on WSs would keep people occupied for quite a while. Just like allowing them to cap all combat and magic merits would. Some things it makes sense to have to chose between like attributes and job specific merits but having some of these WSs could be make or break for a lot of jobs.

So to recap:
No logical upside
Plenty of downsides

Debate over.

[Rezeak]

I love these new weaponskills

The fact you have cross over like SAM on Bow or even BST on scythe really promotes a variety of play ^^

As for the merit system for them

I agree with it fulyl ^^ (that my opion tho)

[Helel]

"You have SAM?"
"Yes."
"Did you spend months getting perfect gear for it?"
"Yes."
"You have the new WS 5/5?"
"No I maxed HtH Polearm and Bow"
"Please come on another job"

If you take the time to level and gear a job there is no reason you should have to gimp it for the sake of other jobs. There is no upside to forcing people to only max out 3 WSs. This game is content starved and being able to spend and extra ELEVEN-HUNDRED merits on WSs would keep people occupied for quite a while. Just like allowing them to cap all combat and magic merits would. Some things it makes sense to have to chose between like attributes and job specific merits but having some of these WSs could be make or break for a lot of jobs.

So to recap:
No logical upside
Plenty of downsides

Debate over.

You're assuming these WS's are better than the ones we already have. It's going to be hard to beat fudo, ukko, etc. If they do beat those WS then well, this game just got even easier I guess.

[Zhronne]

Edit: I want to make this very clear to SE reps reading this. This is unacceptable. I don't care if it takes one hundred merits per weapon skill to upgrade if it means we can upgrade them all, but limiting us is wrong. Shooting the job change system in the face is not good policy.

Erm... did you forget that it's exactely the same for all other merits?
You can't get 8/8 on more than 4 kinds of weapon
You can't get all the categories inside "Others", you can't get 15/15 on both hp AND mp, you can't merit all attributes, and inside job specific merits you can't max up every single merit.
I mean, this usually doesn't have a huge impact, even more because the majority of those merits are "meh", so there aren't many situations where you'd want all the merits inside each category (altough I can think about a few!).

Not saying I agree with this, just saying you shouldn't be surprised or call this WS limit choice as "unacceptable" or "incoherent".
Seems consistent to the merit system as a whole to me.

But I still think that max 3 maxed up WS is not enough, allowing us to get at least 4 would be a much better compromise imho. WS are definitely way more important and relevant than the majority of other merits are, at least for a DD.

[brayen]

weather they beat the empy or not should be irrelevant, as the main point is that it is making you openly choose to either get all the ones you want or only 3 and let the other jobs you have be forgotten.

Erm... did you forget that it's exactely the same for all other merits?
You can't get 8/8 on more than 4 kinds of weapon
You can't get all the categories inside "Others", you can't get 15/15 on both hp AND mp, you can't merit all attributes, and inside job specific merits you can't max up every single merit.
I mean, this usually doesn't have a huge impact, even more because the majority of those merits are "meh", so there aren't many situations where you'd want all the merits inside each category (altough I can think about a few!).

Not saying I agree with this, just saying you shouldn't be surprised or call this WS limit choice as "unacceptable" or "incoherent".
Seems consistent to the merit system as a whole to me.

But I still think that max 3 maxed up WS is not enough, allowing us to get at least 4 would be a much better compromise imho. WS are definitely way more important and relevant than the majority of other merits are, at least for a DD.

That was always a problem as well, the difference is that with those other merits you had were a lot more minimal then these. You are unlocking a new skill, something only ever done via job specific merits. Heck if they tied these weaponskills into jobs so that you can pick any 3 per job and just have to re-merit them for all the jobs you have that would even be fine,

[Insaniac]

I can say from what I saw that a lot of them will at least be competitive with emps. I saw Scythe GS Polearm GK and GA all do 3k+ outside of abyssea. Some of them don't even need to be competitive because they are different types of damage. Gun Club and Staff for example. Then you have situational WSs like dagger which will probably be the go to TA WS plus it has an acc down effect that will probably be amazing for solo or low man tanking.