To Developers: Accession

[Ciecle]

Ok let me break every single piece of diarrhea you just spewed onto paper for you cause obviously you do not understand anything about any job and should probably quit while you're ahead(or behind depending on who you ask.)

If RDM get even HALF of what BLU has, then I'd be very happy. You forget I am a BLU, I know ~exactly~ what a BLU is capable of, both in offensive roles and as the 2nd best healer in the game.

Rdm has better enfeebles that last nearly double that of blu's. Gravity, Gravity II, Addle, Blind, Blind II, Dia, Dia II, Dia III, Diaga, Diaga II, Silence, Paralyze, Paralyze II, Bind, Bio, Bio II, Bio III, Sleep, Sleep II, Slow, Slow II, Break,Poison, Poison II
Now lets break every single spell down that you can instantly cast at any point in time you see fit:
Gravity/Gravity II: Lowers Evasion, and Increases Weight.
Addle: Increases spell casting time and decreases Macc.
Blind/Blind II: Decreases Physical Accuracy.
Dia Family: Decreases Defense and adds a Light Damage-over-time effect
Silence: Makes the enemy not able to cast spells
Paralyze/Paralyze II: Likely chance that your opponent will be Paralyzed and unable to attack
Bind: Stops the opponent from moving
Bio/II/III: Decreases Physical Attack and adds a dark damage-over-time effect
Sleep/Sleep II: Makes the opponent sleep. Sleep II can overwrite Sleep I
Slow/Slow II: Decreases opponent's physical attack speed.
Break: Stops the opponent from moving or casting. aka Bind II with a short silence effect that breaks on an attack.
Poison/Poison II: a plain damage-over-time spell

Depending on sub job, you can get even more enfeebles that are quick to cast and rdm would have a way easier time landing it.
Drk:
Absorb-Tp,Absorb-Dex/str/int/agi/chr/mnd/vit,Drain, Aspir, Stun, Poisonga

Blm:
Stun, Drain, Aspir, Sleepga, Choke, Shock, Rasp, Frost, Drown, Burn

Sch:
Drain(ga*), Aspir(ga*), Dispelga*, Sleepga*, Sleepga II*, Graviga*, Blindga* Bindga*, Poisonga*, Poisonga II*, Breakga*, Bioga*, Bioga II*

and since you want to say that you're also a blu,

Blu:
Sand spin, Sprout Smack, Wild Oats, sound blast, terror touch, stinking gas, geist wall, aweful eye, Soporific, sheep Song, and soon to be jettatura

And all of this is just enfeebles. as far as rdm being the 'Worst at everything' as you're implying, they sure have a lot of just 1 little thing.

Yes the dirty secret BLU's like to avoid answering is that SE has given you more support options then pure damage options. BLU/WHM gets P.Embrace, M.fruit and Cure IV, all on separate timers.You get Erasega on a ridiculously lot timer, something everyone else has to burn accession for. Stoneskinga, super blink, then all the mdef / mab buffs that you can aoe for the proper moment.

Here's the dirty little secret that you're also avoiding, Blu's AoE Erase, is self only. Blus have to run into range of damage to erase, we still have to burn a charge as /sch for erasega if you're not wanting to take damage. P.Embrace is a minor att+ and Matt+ and is a very big mp whore, and as far as all spells being on separate timers, you act like you've been playing with Pup. Stoneskin-ga is the same as everyone else just don't have to use one of your precious charges("OMG THAT'S SOOOO OVER POWERED!" Hi2U Smn). Haste from sub(big whoop a war/whm could still get the same haste.) that rdm isnt missing. Super blink is just that, BLINK yes it can save your life at times, but when it comes to anything that matters blink does not win at any point. Mdef/Mab buffs are nice, but when it gets down to the nitty gritty, the buffs do not last longer then 15 seconds, and in fights that last longer then 15 seconds, you still have the next magic spell from the enemy that you're not going to be able to block, if by chance you're even in a tank party to begin with(aka being in range to be taking damage on anything that matters).

You get your own self refresh and haste, and from /WHM you can cast the exact same haste that everyone else gets. One light aoe sleep, two black aoe sleeps, and one ST damage + sleep physical spell. Multiple forms of dispel, even dispel-ga.

so do whms, schs, and rdms, What's your point on that? Rdm has 2 Sleeps. those 2 sleeps combined last 150 seconds(subject to resists) with which sleep II can overwrite sleep. Blu, has 5 sleeps, Pinecone bomb: minor damage and a short lasting sleep(~30 seconds), Yawn: a Frontal AoE light based sleep(~60s), Sheep Song: an AoE short lasting Light based sleep(~30s), Soporific: A dark based sleep(~90s), and Dream Flower: a dark based sleep(~90s). All of which DO NOT overwrite each other.
as far as dispel goes, Rdm/Sch has Dispel, Dispelga*, Rdm/Blu has Dispel, and Geist Wall, and blank gaze. As far as blu is concerned, we have a total of 4 total dispels, Osmosis, Voracious trunk, Blank Gaze, and Geist Wall. a little hint, Voracious trunk and Osmosis both have a ~1min+ recast time rendering them nearly unusable in most situations that you need a ton of dispels, if you even have all 4 set right then and there.

And other then 5/5 Assimilation, what else would you be meriting? Enchainment would be the only other one with a decent effect, +50 TP during CA.

i'd leave this one to your imagination. I will say this though, +25%matt/macc bonus to your next magical based blu spells is very sexy.

So yes, BLU has a 10min JA that makes it's buffs aoe. And it's not just haste, that would be one of the worst use's for it. BLU gets tons of damage reduction buffs, Saline Coat alone is gold. Several shells used to use Diffusion Saline Coat on Ultima (back at 75) to survive Citadel buster.

ok, 75 != 95/99. Things last 10 times longer then ultima not to mention, most people who were any good that had the pleasure of getting drawn in for cit.buster had a mdt-gear set and a whm with capped shellra V.

Currently BLU is one of the most overpowered jobs, due to all the buffs SE keeps throwing at it. It gets a useful spell every update, so many useful spells that you can't even fit them all on at once.

overpowered? ha. Blu still has to sit in the back of the line ups to set spells during voidwatch so they dont take damage so they can run in and proc. If you call that over powered, then you really need to reread the definition of that word. the 'useful' spells are only to keep the job up. with out the spells the job would instantly fall behind pup in damage. and that's a place most blus would rather not be.(sorry pups... I do like Pup just kind of have to throw you under the bus...)

You get just about every JT in the game and JA's that enhance those spells to allow you to deal more damage, apply more status effects or just self SC.

As mr. Camate has stated earlier in one of his many posts:(the post escapes my view at this time...) "Double attack isnt set at 10%, more like... 7%?" if that's not a slap in the face about your statement there, it should be. His statement, tells us that maybe not all of blu's JTs are set as high as they should be. Are you jealous that blu can self SC? Blm can self Sc> MB, Sam can self Sc double light, Sch can self SC > MB.

And need we go into a single BLU using Charged Whisker to farm pretty much anything they want.

need we go into the fact that blm can cast AoE spells, that War can Fell cleve, that mnk can Cataclysm, that thf can Aeolin Edge?

Do not even try to attack the BLU reference. It was done deliberately to illustrate how aoe buffs for things like Haste already exist in the game and that it wouldn't be breaking anything.

Here's the small thing that you fail to notice, Smn had AoE buffs longer then Blu was around. and they're all buffs that everyone wants.

Don't start on the whole 'This isn't about that! it's about being able to accession haste and get cure V from SE!'

TL;DR: Saevel is wrong, Rdm doesn't need a job ability that allows buffs to be AoE'd. It would be better if they are allowed to get the actual AoE spells vs a horrid job ability that has a horrible recast added to it...

[Economizer]

Ok let me break every single piece of diarrhea you just spewed onto paper for you cause obviously you do not understand anything about any job and should probably quit while you're ahead(or behind depending on who you ask.)

Ignoring the petty attacks, lets go onto the content:

Diaga II

Red Mage has this spell? News to me.

Ignoring reduced potency even, most mobs are:

Gravity/Gravity II

Immune.

Silence

Immune.

Bind

Immune.

Regardless of what enfeebles any job has, a lot of this could be overhauled. For example, I was under the impression that SE was going to make the evasion down effect of gravity separate, at least on Gravity II, so that even high level NMs could get hit by it, but from test server reports, this seems not to have held true. Anyways, to go on:

Depending on sub job

While Red Mage does synergize with sub jobs more effectively then the majority of other jobs, a sub does not make the main, it only augments it.

Choke, Shock, Rasp, Frost, Drown, Burn

Scale horrifically, otherwise they could have a lot of potential.

as far as rdm being the 'Worst at everything' as you're implying

This one isn't a fact about the game, so I can't really confirm this as easily, but I would think that this is not what Saevel is implying, but I'd have to check with him first, since I don't want to put words into his mouth.

Here's the dirty little secret that you're also avoiding, Blu's AoE Erase, is self only. Blus have to run into range of damage to erase, we still have to burn a charge as /sch for erasega if you're not wanting to take damage.

Remind me what you have to do, aside from setting the spell, to make this work? I don't even care about Red Mage, I would like it if Esuna worked right without having to switched from Solace. Blue Mage might not be a better healer then White Mage, but they have a lot of nice toys for not being one.

P.Embrace is a minor att+ and Matt+ and is a very big mp whore

Plenilune Embrace has a better HP/MP ratio then Cure V, so don't complain about it sucking MP.

Blu, has 5 sleeps

All of which DO NOT overwrite each other.

Whirl of Rage, reapply sleep. BLU is one of the best jobs at crowd control, regardless of what other jobs can do.

Blu still has to sit in the back of the line ups to set spells during voidwatch so they dont take damage so they can run in and proc.

Crappy proc systems does not a crappy job make. Yes this is a major problem, but it does not make Blue Mage crappy.

Blm can self Sc> MB

Without /SAM, /DNC, consumables, or some superweapon how is this possible? Black Mage might even be able to outdamage a self skillchain and burst, but I've never heard of them being able to self chain short of the non-Black Mage methods listed.

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Ultimately, I'm not really following this argument that closely, but if you are saying that BLU isn't a very powerful job, or incredibly versatile, then that is an outright lie. I think that Blue Mage is a good benchmark of what other jobs should be, and it is only natural for other jobs to emulate the success of Blue Mage - the job is fun, powerful, and even something to be jealous of.

I think the issue of this thread isn't necessarily that some job is under/overpowered, but that SE's treatment of Red Mage (but more importantly, "Enhancing Magic" in general) has not been consistent with what it should be, and we have proof that they can be fairly consistent with jobs like Blue Mage.

I've already said quite a bit about my thoughts on Haste, Phalanx, Gain/Boost, and a slew of other things, so I don't really need to repeat them - ultimately I'd like Enhancing Magic to get better, regardless of what other jobs that have the ability to buff are capable of - be it a COR, BLU, BRD or whatever.