Stop Player Bashing

[Sp1cyryan]

I've seen several post already where someone has posted something (a suggestion) and a more Skilled player has decided it was a good idea to bash the player for his/her inabilities.

This forum was started for general game discussions/suggestions. Not meant to demean a player for his/her thoughts. You either agree with them or you don't. No need to make yourself feel big because you can do something another player can't by telling them how pathetic they are.

I really don't think SE started this site to read about how good you are and see how much you rub it in to those who can't. I'm pretty sure they started this site so people can give they're suggestions to things they think need to be changed. Idea to improve game play. Pass on your knowledge and skill to inexperienced players. Not constantly bash them.

So please. Keep it polite. Try to stay on topic. If you agree, but want to add something to the idea to make it better, do so. If you disagree with it, disagree and explain why the CHANGE wouldn't increase game play, but keep it civil to other players and stop bashing them b/c they are having difficulties with something.

There is a reason these forums are being openly mocked from every corner of the web on FFXI sites.

[Nepharite]

There is a reason these forums are being openly mocked from every corner of the web on FFXI sites.

pretty much this

[RAIST]

tldr the whole thread, just gonna drop something here that came to mind when I started reading posts.

The problem is we are dealing with Opinions...and to expand on a rough quote from Dirty Harry:

opinions are like @$$holes... everybody has one.

...doesn't mean everyone wants to hear it.

Raist

[Cream_Soda]

There is a reason these forums are being openly mocked from every corner of the web on FFXI sites.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/103...ums-BG-Edition

[Sp1cyryan]

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/103...ums-BG-Edition

Yeah, there are multiple threads on AH.com and other places that just make me facedesk.

The whole forum has a casual atmosphere, bad suggestions, lack of knowledge of the jobs, lack of common sense, desire to bitch about things (BLU AF3 DOES NOT LOOK AS GOOD AS I EXPECTED GUIZ), and so on.

After looking around here for a few days I can only hope the dev team does not even read anything here.

[Cream_Soda]

After looking around here for a few days I can only hope the dev team does not even read anything here.

Pretty much the general view of all the other forums.

[Sp1cyryan]

Pretty much the general view of all the other forums.

Well Zam is not terrible, but the suggestion threads there for jobs individually are generally bad.

AH.com is filled with trolls (like me!) who like to tear apart stupid shit there, but has knowledgeable people (people who also post on BG as well) there making it not too bad in my eyes. Dasva, Tigerwoods, Nightfyre, and others will provide A+ information. It has gotten better there than it used to be.

BG remains the cutting edge for the best information (generally not for casual players), but looking through there can be like finding a gold ring in a sewer.

I have not checked KI in years, but it has always been a joke as far as I know.

Here is just turning out to be the worst of any of them.

[Arcon]

There is a reason these forums are being openly mocked from every corner of the web on FFXI sites.

Ironic, seeing how they're all just as bad. BG is completely worthless for finding any kind of useless information (and their wiki is even worse), 'cause you have to sift through 500 pages of garbage, people being stupid, insulting, trolling and just random without any kind of actual contribution to the topic to just find one remotely useful sentence. Which also explains why they mock this official forum, 'cause it's a gathering place for all narcissistic elitists who believe they're better than anyone else and have to mock other people (whether they're right or wrong) to feel better about themselves.

FFXIAH is still ok imo, although many people there don't bother as much with ingame details as they do on BG. It still has its fair share of trolls and unhelpful elitists, which makes it very unfriendly for new people to join in.

KI was dead last time I checked, ZAM I hear isn't far from it, but I haven't been around much on either to make a statement I won't regret later. But from what I heard the situation isn't much better.

The difference between these forums and others out there is simply that this is official, which makes it attractive to people who previously didn't bother. And yes, while it does encourage some people to let their lame ideas surface, who otherwise wouldn't even dare to post, it also encourages people who are afraid of getting bashed on other forums, by the aforementioned elitist crowd, to present their smart ideas. And contrary to what people have mentioned here, there definitely are good ideas here, which the devs should not overlook. Every job forum I've checked so far has had at least one good, well thought-out idea for that particular job, and these general/mission/battle forums also had several good ideas each. There were lots of good ideas which SE would otherwise completely overlook, which is why I think bashing people on here is such a shame. Finally there's an outlet for useful ideas, where people can contribute something great to the game, something that would improve gameplay for everyone, and then those people get discouraged 'cause they see others getting thrashed, insulted and completely talked down for voicing their opinion.

Yes, there's some pretty bad ideas in here. You see it best in the job forums, where people suggest things to upgrade their favorite job for no particular reason. But those threads and posts will be forgotten quickly. What sticks around are things people care about, things people find worth discussing and implementing.

These forums have a potential of reaching higher than BG, AH, KI, ZAM and any others ever could. And people who spend their belittling these forums are one of the main things that's wrong with it, because those are usually the people that don't take people seriously or talk down on their ideas, or even the people themselves, because they don't realise that potential.

Also, can we please stop with the haste/gear debate? At least 80% of this thread is off-topic because of it.

[Captain]

Ironic, seeing how they're all just as bad. BG is completely worthless for finding any kind of useless information (and their wiki is even worse), 'cause you have to sift through 500 pages of garbage, people being stupid, insulting, trolling and just random without any kind of actual contribution to the topic to just find one remotely useful sentence. Which also explains why they mock this official forum, 'cause it's a gathering place for all narcissistic elitists who believe they're better than anyone else and have to mock other people (whether they're right or wrong) to feel better about themselves.

FFXIAH is still ok imo, although many people there don't bother as much with ingame details as they do on BG. It still has its fair share of trolls and unhelpful elitists, which makes it very unfriendly for new people to join in.

KI was dead last time I checked, ZAM I hear isn't far from it, but I haven't been around much on either to make a statement I won't regret later. But from what I heard the situation isn't much better.

The difference between these forums and others out there is simply that this is official, which makes it attractive to people who previously didn't bother. And yes, while it does encourage some people to let their lame ideas surface, who otherwise wouldn't even dare to post, it also encourages people who are afraid of getting bashed on other forums, by the aforementioned elitist crowd, to present their smart ideas. And contrary to what people have mentioned here, there definitely are good ideas here, which the devs should not overlook. Every job forum I've checked so far has had at least one good, well thought-out idea for that particular job, and these general/mission/battle forums also had several good ideas each. There were lots of good ideas which SE would otherwise completely overlook, which is why I think bashing people on here is such a shame. Finally there's an outlet for useful ideas, where people can contribute something great to the game, something that would improve gameplay for everyone, and then those people get discouraged 'cause they see others getting thrashed, insulted and completely talked down for voicing their opinion.

Yes, there's some pretty bad ideas in here. You see it best in the job forums, where people suggest things to upgrade their favorite job for no particular reason. But those threads and posts will be forgotten quickly. What sticks around are things people care about, things people find worth discussing and implementing.

These forums have a potential of reaching higher than BG, AH, KI, ZAM and any others ever could. And people who spend their belittling these forums are one of the main things that's wrong with it, because those are usually the people that don't take people seriously or talk down on their ideas, or even the people themselves, because they don't realise that potential.

Also, can we please stop with the haste/gear debate? At least 80% of this thread is off-topic because of it.

/thread rly, but on another note a thread like this is just screaming for an argument lul it's not something that can be discussed without there being a bunch of QQing on each side and thus it's no longer a quiet discussion but QQ for all. So the best thing would be to just have something like this stickied by GMs on each section of the forum to let BASHERS be warned.