Stop Player Bashing

[Darka]

Ok, (to both you and Vinc)... but I don't think I play on the same server as any of them (except Cream_Soda). So... it's not like their personal game play is affected by me.

It doesn't really have to be their own personal time, most will typically assume that others' personal time is being wasted, and will speak out about it. Most people have been in those situations, and tend to dislike people who won't meet normal community expectations. I'm not trying to bash, but it really is a fix it or deal with it scenario.

[Darka]

I doubt it's so much that they are personally being infringed upon, but that they worry that your comments will move other people to do things that would infringe upon them.

Yeah that's a point too ^ There's a bad case of blind leading the blind in XI, another cause for bashing

[Naturebeckles]

I doubt it's so much that they are personally being infringed upon, but that they worry that your comments will move other people to do things that would infringe upon them. To keep the metaphor going, it would be like being in a study session and having someone say "You only need to get a 70 to pass the test, I'm fine with passing" when other people are trying to help others get A's. Of course the tutors are going to be upset about it. It doesn't bother them if you choose to get a 70 on your exam and be okay with passing, but it does bother them when you talk about it in front of other students who may then decide that it's okay to get a 70 instead of studying and getting an A.

Well then it's other people's own fault for letting a person who is okay with getting a 70 convince them to do the same if they would otherwise want to get a 90. That's not the fault of the person who is okay with a 70. That person should not strive to do better just for the sake of other people. It's always what's about what you're okay with your own life. I don't live my life to please other people in RL (to an extent) and I don't do it in the game either.

[Naturebeckles]

Yeah that's a point too ^ There's a bad case of blind leading the blind in XI, another cause for bashing

I really hate that you use other people's failures (intentional or not) as a cause for bashing them.

[Darka]

I really hate that you use other people's failures (intentional or not) as a cause for bashing them.

Don't misunderstand me, I didn't say anything about me. It's not a failing cause that sparks people off. More like if Player A joins a party, is informed that whatever he/she is doing/wearing is not correct, then refuses to acknowledge it or improve that pisses people off. If Player B joins, doing/wearing the same things, is informed he/she is doing it wrong, but seeks advice/help, he/she will be recieved just as well as a perfectly geared player.

You don't HAVE to change anything, but people will not always like you for it. I said earlier, it's a community game, reputation can be quite important.

[Alkalinehoe]

I don't get why they care so much that I'm not improving into the kind of player they think I should be.

If you party strictly with friends and they accept how you play, then go ahead and play however you want. But I feel most of the people here, including me, who have tried to help gear yourself better would probably kick you from the party the moment they saw that you were fulltiming your gear. You said it yourself, the math is correct. It shows just exactly how powerful a DD can be when geared properly. Not gearing properly just adds more time to whatever you're trying to do (be it seal parties, dynamis, nyzul isle, HNMs, abyssea, etc) and most people just want to get it over with asap or in the case where you're spamming something like a seal nm, try to get as many kills in before people have to leave.

Yes, we get that having skill in how your job works is important. But having skill and having good gear makes a tremendous difference over someone who has skill but does not gear appropriately.

[Naturebeckles]

If you party strictly with friends and they accept how you play, then go ahead and play however you want. But I feel most of the people here, including me, who have tried to help gear yourself better would probably kick you from the party the moment they saw that you were fulltiming your gear. You said it yourself, the math is correct. It shows just exactly how powerful a DD can be when geared properly. Not gearing properly just adds more time to whatever you're trying to do (be it seal parties, dynamis, nyzul isle, HNMs, abyssea, etc) and most people just want to get it over with asap or in the case where you're spamming something like a seal nm, try to get as many kills in before people have to leave.

Yes, we get that having skill in how your job works is important. But having skill and having good gear makes a tremendous difference over someone who has skill but does not gear appropriately.

I can accept that. this conversation is going much better than it did last night.

[Nepharite]

Ok using the same ideals you use.
Player A doesn't want to gear corectly, but wants to do X event.
Player B is doing X event and player A ask to joins. After looking at players A's gear, player B doesn't allow player A to come.
Player A calls player B an elitist, pretty much player bashing player B because he doesn't want the burden of player A.

How is this acceptable for player A to call player B an elitist and not for player B to call player A a poorly geared player?

[Naturebeckles]

Ok using the same ideals you use.
Player A doesn't want to gear corectly, but wants to do X event.
Player B is doing X event and player A ask to joins. After looking at players A's gear, player B doesn't allow player A to come.
Player A calls player B an elitist, pretty much player bashing player B because he doesn't want the burden of player A.

How is this acceptable for player A to call player B an elitist and not for player B to call player A a poorly geared player?

Yeah well. last night people weren't just calling me a poorly geared player. They were calling me a bad player. Period. If they had left it at "you're a poorly geared player" I would not have gotten so offended or defensive.

[Sp1cyryan]

I've seen several post already where someone has posted something (a suggestion) and a more Skilled player has decided it was a good idea to bash the player for his/her inabilities.

This forum was started for general game discussions/suggestions. Not meant to demean a player for his/her thoughts. You either agree with them or you don't. No need to make yourself feel big because you can do something another player can't by telling them how pathetic they are.

I really don't think SE started this site to read about how good you are and see how much you rub it in to those who can't. I'm pretty sure they started this site so people can give they're suggestions to things they think need to be changed. Idea to improve game play. Pass on your knowledge and skill to inexperienced players. Not constantly bash them.

So please. Keep it polite. Try to stay on topic. If you agree, but want to add something to the idea to make it better, do so. If you disagree with it, disagree and explain why the CHANGE wouldn't increase game play, but keep it civil to other players and stop bashing them b/c they are having difficulties with something.

There is a reason these forums are being openly mocked from every corner of the web on FFXI sites.