Stop Player Bashing

[Urteil]

Often it is the way in which that advice is given.

When somebody says: "You're a bad player because you don't do this or that", I'm likely to not listen to them. Great Guardian is good though. He's very good at giving helpful advice to others without sounding condescending towards them.

So its a matter of the wrapping on the box, not the message itself?

I could swear at you and scream that you should not shoot yourself in the foot with a hand-gun and you would.

Alternatively I could ask you nicely and say the same message for your better good, both with the best intentions, and you wouldn't?

Being polite is free you know, its really not worth much when the substance is there regardless.
Sounds petty.

[Urteil]

Uh, not exactly. But if you had it your way, everybody probably would look the same so everybody plays the same, everybody is happy, everybody is whatever... Yeah. Ok.

Your entire psychological drive can be summed up to the desire to not be forgotten. Not forgotten. . in the most baseless of ways, 'misbehaving' and shock. Your stubbornness to to resist the most base PvE activities (which sucking is the norm ironically) is simply that, you wish to be different. Your rebellion is your cause, only to rebel, to rebel, to be different. Not even the goal of self betterment, or to RISE FROM INADEQUACY. . .

You seek to return to it.

Where to be great would actually be the more uncommon practice. Then once you conquered this hurdle could carve your name out in more 'interesting ways.'




'Well behaved women rarely make history.'

Well that may be true, but an attention whore is an attention whore regardless of their sex. I even think it might be worse for a woman to go the 'culture shock' route, and is perhaps doubly as pathetic as a man doing so: They have a perfect blueprint to overcome and to not follow.
As they watch their male brethren make fools of themselves and reduce their standing as human beings to nothing but mindless animals forgoing their gift of higher sentience.

It is not born from a desire to impart a noble ideal of individuality, or forge a path for the downtrodden fashionistas forced to bear the same gear, their inner creativity stifled by the elitist dogs.

You don't wish to be forgotten, but don't you lovey dovey types usually find solace in your loved ones or something? Your friends and comrades, those intangible delights that 'elitists' can't care about?

And from those tops assault people with a maelstrom of insurmountable irrationality that cannot be braved by even the most stalwart of tacticians? Because one quickly realizes that climbing a mountain made of pudding and sunshine is impossible.

However I must say that even though I harbor intangibles closely to my heart, I like to back them up with fact. And only when they are surrounded by a fortress of reason, am I satisfied with their existence.

And only when it is assault constantly and stands resolute, can I be even 1% certain that I could perhaps be right.

[magnius]

I love you, Urteil.

[Kwate]

I don't think it's going to stop simply because the people who player bash on these forums are also doing it in the game and I don't think their attitude is going to change. Don't mean to be pessimistic... but I'm just sayin'

It's a start.

[Shinjikoto]

So its a matter of the wrapping on the box, not the message itself?

I could swear at you and scream that you should not shoot yourself in the foot with a hand-gun and you would.

Alternatively I could ask you nicely and say the same message for your better good, both with the best intentions, and you wouldn't?

Being polite is free you know, its really not worth much when the substance is there regardless.
Sounds petty.

I'm not too sure what the word free means in this statement, but just because something is "free", doesn't mean it has no value. Giving people a certain amount of respect when you speak to them can go a very long way. Breaking through someone's ego to allow them the opportunity to consider they may be wrong isn't generally done by logic and facts, it takes a different set of skills to get someones barrier down first, then the facts can start to do their magic. However, if you are in the situation you set up where someone is about to shoot themselves in the foot, Dont be polite. Just run away.

[cidbahamut]

Giving people a certain amount of respect when you speak to them can go a very long way.

The thing is, respect needs to first be earned and can easily be forfeited if you behave poorly.

[Arcon]

The thing is, respect needs to first be earned and can easily be forfeited if you behave poorly.

Not according to the forum rules.

[Shinjikoto]

The thing is, respect needs to first be earned and can easily be forfeited if you behave poorly.

I definitely agree that respect can be forfeited, and when it is, its up to the reader if they are going to stoop to the same level and engage in a war or just surround themselves with better company. But I don't feel respect should first be earned in order to be spoken to politely in an online forum. I feel that we should all be starting from a point of respect when we speak to one another to begin with. I don't know how you would go about earning respect online if you don't start by respecting eachother in the first place. We don't know anything about eachother. I post all of this assuming the goal is to actually change someone's mind about an issue such as the haste debate.

[cidbahamut]

Not according to the forum rules.

The forum rules do not change the realities of human interaction. If someone behaves like they are crazy and refuses to listen to reason then people are going to lose respect for them regardless of what the forum rules state. The only thing the forum rules do is determine who will get banhammered for being honest in their interactions with others.