Bully: it's really bad.

[Lokithor]

You are most welcome . Thank you for your insightful contribution to this thread!

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Regardless of how the effect works, the whole Bully JA is definitely in the "Wot?" category.

In particular, adding a TH effect to the newly nerfed Bully really shows that SE doesn't get it. Thfs don't want to be just TH whores. LS Thfs will now be required to always ride the Bully timer to pump up the placebo.

[Nebo]

Ninja edits!! Your edits now add to the discussion.

Regardless of how the effect works, the whole Bully JA is definitely in the "Wot?" category.

In particular, adding a TH effect to the newly nerfed Bully really shows that SE doesn't get it. Thfs don't want to be just TH whores. LS Thfs will now be required to always ride the Bully timer to pump up the placebo.

I'm actually all for more ways to actively increase treasure hunter, and to somehow make that tied to active melee combat. I like that they added this to Bully, but we'll have to test it to see if it is a meaningful increased chance. (but yeah this is also kind of "meh" because the effects of "Increased Treasure Hunter Effectiveness level" seem to be very minescule.)

I like ideas that I see flowing around about a Damage boost being tied to TH level...

I would take that a step further with an increase of the chance to raise treasure hunter effectiveness level based on the level of damage the THF does. Lower Damage = less chance, Better damage = increased chance.

This way, better Thieves with better weapons (relics/empyreans etc), gear and a greater understanding of their melee aspect will be, in fact, better at iraising Treasure Hunter effectiveness than a THF mule with 3 pieces of gear...The Best DD THF, THE best Geared THF , THE most skilled THF would be one in the same with the best Treasure Hunter THF.

...Add to that a damage bonus for the THF based on the current Treasure Hunter level = TH whore job fixed.

You could do all sorts of things with our current abilities to compliment this as well:

Steal: Instead of stealing crap items, raisesTreasure Hunter effectiveness level by one
Mug: Instead of stealing gil, raises Treasure Hunter Effectiveness level by 2.
Bully: Increases the chances of raising the Treasure Hunter effectivenes level.
Perfect Dodge: Grants an increased chance to raise treasure hunter effectiveness level and grants a greater damage boost based on Treasure Hunter Effectiveness level.

etc etc....you wouldn't even need to lower their recast timers.

...All of a sudden every THF ability has synergy with its core functions.

[RygaenYuui]

If the Dev team wants to give us skills to make us more marketable for large groups, then great; the gaming mechanic to where we actually fit in or become marketable to alliance pt mechanic is the questionable side of all of this myriad of dilemma...if we're supposed to be managing enmity, increasing drops, and doing spike damage, the bridge to get there has been burnt more than once.

[Nynja]

So Bully sucks in what its supposed to do. Look at the bright side: 8 years later, thf has a native claiming JA, good enough for me

theres probably going to be gear that "augments" bully as well.

[Nebo]

Has anyone else noticed a difference in Treasure Hunter Procs under bully? I haven't noticed a difference at all...as a matter of fact I haven't been able to get TH to proc under bully yet at all....but then again the effect only last a very short duration sooo...yeah.

It does not appear to be any sort of meaningful increase that would even do anything in 30 seconds or less.

[Mefuki]

Hey, Airget's idea on page 10 is pretty good. He might be onto something!

[Zirael]

Hey, Airget's idea on page 10 is pretty good. He might be onto something!

Thief's Wife would never allow such a thing.

[noodles355]

Make the intimidation of Bully powerful in a large group, remove the TH bonus upgrades, keep the timer at 3 minutes.
THAT would have been a useful ability. You pop it on dangerous HNM 2HRs like 100 Fists or Chainspell.

SE have once again showed they have absolutely no idea what they want thief to do. They need to make up their fucking minds.

Bully was intended to be a JA that intimidates the enemy, to follow the debuffing aspect of their thief job vision. But then they went and added an increased TH effect to it. It will no longer be used as a debuffing ability but as a means to increase TH. Well done.

Seriously, the japanese thief forum must just only be saying "we don't care about anything other than TH. give us more ways to increase TH". Well I think it's about time SE stopped only listening to ONE PART OF THE PLAYERBASE. How in god's name can they justify only taking feedback from japanese players whilst completely ignoring European, North American, Australasian and any other nationailty? It's absolutely fucking appaling.

[Shiyo]

Make the intimidation of Bully powerful in a large group, remove the TH bonus upgrades, keep the timer at 3 minutes.
THAT would have been a useful ability. You pop it on dangerous HNM 2HRs like 100 Fists or Chainspell.

SE have once again showed they have absolutely no idea what they want thief to do. They need to make up their fucking minds.

Bully was intended to be a JA that intimidates the enemy, to follow the debuffing aspect of their thief job vision. But then they went and added an increased TH effect to it. It will no longer be used as a debuffing ability but as a means to increase TH. Well done.

Seriously, the japanese thief forum must just only be saying "we don't care about anything other than TH. give us more ways to increase TH". Well I think it's about time SE stopped only listening to ONE PART OF THE PLAYERBASE. How in god's name can they justify only taking feedback from japanese players whilst completely ignoring European, North American, Australasian and any other nationailty? It's absolutely fucking appaling.

I don't think this is true at all, every JP player I've encountered has said cor is "ROLL JOB ONLY" yet they keep buffing COr's DD. I also don't know of any JP RDM's who even think of meleeing or any JP player who has ever considered RDM a melee job at all, yet they're buffing RDM melee.

[Nynja]

Thats because they placed X jobs to Y nationalities:
RDM falls under NA feedback, THF falls under JP feedback.