Bully: it's really bad.

[Shiyo]

Make the intimidation of Bully powerful in a large group, remove the TH bonus upgrades, keep the timer at 3 minutes.
THAT would have been a useful ability. You pop it on dangerous HNM 2HRs like 100 Fists or Chainspell.

SE have once again showed they have absolutely no idea what they want thief to do. They need to make up their fucking minds.

Bully was intended to be a JA that intimidates the enemy, to follow the debuffing aspect of their thief job vision. But then they went and added an increased TH effect to it. It will no longer be used as a debuffing ability but as a means to increase TH. Well done.

Seriously, the japanese thief forum must just only be saying "we don't care about anything other than TH. give us more ways to increase TH". Well I think it's about time SE stopped only listening to ONE PART OF THE PLAYERBASE. How in god's name can they justify only taking feedback from japanese players whilst completely ignoring European, North American, Australasian and any other nationailty? It's absolutely fucking appaling.

I don't think this is true at all, every JP player I've encountered has said cor is "ROLL JOB ONLY" yet they keep buffing COr's DD. I also don't know of any JP RDM's who even think of meleeing or any JP player who has ever considered RDM a melee job at all, yet they're buffing RDM melee.

[Nynja]

Thats because they placed X jobs to Y nationalities:
RDM falls under NA feedback, THF falls under JP feedback.

[Shiyo]

<__< LOL

If that's true(I know it's not still funny), then I'm quitting RDM.

[Karbuncle]

Whatever the reasoning or excuse, Is abundantly clear despite Camates and others best effort, The suggestions they send from the NA/EU/Etc Forum get thrown into a trashcan as the devs JPONRY everything. the Q:A Questions make that clear.

Its clear some of the things we ask for are a bit insane, But after compiling a lot of ideas in this section, a lot of the suggestions seem very reasonable. Small things like allowing SA and TA to force a crit from any direction, but only receive DEX/AGI boost in correct position. Or widening the SA range to simply "Being out of sight" Like it was originally intended. Buffing Mug/Steal/Despoil, or at least splitting steal/despoil timers, and so on.

As far as RDM melee and Temper go, I think that spell has been in the .dats for some time, they probably didn't have a RDM update, and said "fk it lets add temper" and threw it in in the last minute (Hence why it had a farking 5% proc rate, probably designed back in 2004 When that would have been gamebreaking).

[Byrth]

I'm fairly sure Temper is new, actually. I'm not sure SE actually listens to anyone at all when they make the Q&A. They may just be inventing both halves.

[Arcon]

I'm fairly sure Temper is new, actually. I'm not sure SE actually listens to anyone at all when they make the Q&A. They may just be inventing both halves.

I've been thinking that for some time.

[Karbuncle]

I'm fairly sure Temper is new, actually. I'm not sure SE actually listens to anyone at all when they make the Q&A. They may just be inventing both halves.

Could have sworn, way back when i got altanaviewer, there was a Temper-esque spell somewhere in the White Magic Dats. I guess I could be wrong

That being said, Some of the questions asked really are just... IDK.

Also, I feel like half/all of the abilities they released were released purposefully bad, so when they "updated" them it felt like they were listening to us and doing something :P

I don't.. really believe that, Its too cynical, Just thought it funny.

[Zirael]

I'm fairly sure Temper is new, actually. I'm not sure SE actually listens to anyone at all when they make the Q&A. They may just be inventing both halves.

On some JP Q&A (google translate) I saw quotes of specific people's posts and then Dev's answer. This does not get converted into EN, because original posts are in JP, so no point.
As for not listening, at least just after any version update SE monitor many forums in search of exploits/bugs people found (remember how fast 99999 Cures were fixed? or Nyzul weapons giving aftermath?). So they are aware what is being said. Taking it into account is another matter.
Things like 5 years later SE saying "we will look into PUP Damage Gauge & Scanner being bugged" can give you an estimate on how much patience and hope you'll need to have.

[Insaniac]

I think they use our mutual ignorance against us. The JP forums are probably saying "WRY ONRY RISTEN TO ENGRISH PRAYERS!?" When in fact they are just ignoring everyone.

[FrankReynolds]

I don't think the JP forums wanted treasure hunter either. But they don't complain about how fake it is like us, so the devs probably figured it would shut them up if they added it (I don't see any testing on there, so they may actually think this is a buff). I have read through a bunch of JP forums with Google translate, and a lot of the adjustments and questions are directly from the JP forums (ie. boosting the wyvern damage down effect that everyone in the English threads thought was great all ready.)