Relic Adjustments - The balancing act

[Kitkat]

I have two relic, still just trophy. I'm not mad at them being weak. I was replying that at comments that their strength should be proportionate to the time needed to acquire, which I greatly disagree with. They should be barely better than empyreans, just barely. I hate the game breaking nature of aegis, even though I have one.

I have a moghouse full of trophies from holiday events, I didn't build a relic for aesthetics as I'm sure a good deal of others didn't. Most I know with a relic or emp. weapon built them for 1 reason: utility. I have one of each for the two jobs I use the most. A Trophy is something you get for show alone. I don't suppose you have yours just for show do you? Put it on only for Idle gear?

Additionally when I say "Should be worth the effort" I never said I want them to be decidedly more powerful than emp. I even stated they should be near to equal in strength and power. Some of them are equal in WS strength, yes, but due to the type of aftermath Emp. have they pull noticeably ahead of relic. Then you have the ones where the WS leaves the relic version in the dust on top of the aftermath effect. For Mandau, I personally like the aftermath the way it is, but seeing a WS difference of 1~1.5k in ideal situations is discouraging. The WS themselves have no TP mod unlike Emp weapons other than to prolong duration of aftermath.

Relics only need minor boosts to be equal to the emp and that is all I want; a minor boost in performance to close the otherwise outrageous gap that exist now.

[DebbieGibson]

I have a moghouse full of trophies from holiday events, I didn't build a relic for aesthetics as I'm sure a good deal of others didn't. Most I know with a relic or emp. weapon built them for 1 reason: utility. I have one of each for the two jobs I use the most. A Trophy is something you get for show alone. I don't suppose you have yours just for show do you? Put it on only for Idle gear?

Additionally when I say "Should be worth the effort" I never said I want them to be decidedly more powerful than emp. I even stated they should be near to equal in strength and power. Some of them are equal in WS strength, yes, but due to the type of aftermath Emp. have they pull noticeably ahead of relic. Then you have the ones where the WS leaves the relic version in the dust on top of the aftermath effect. For Mandau, I personally like the aftermath the way it is, but seeing a WS difference of 1~1.5k in ideal situations is discouraging. The WS themselves have no TP mod unlike Emp weapons other than to prolong duration of aftermath.

Relics only need minor boosts to be equal to the emp and that is all I want; a minor boost in performance to close the otherwise outrageous gap that exist not.

I wasn't talking about you.
I was referring to this post:

SE devs talk about balance yet they have no idea what they are doing with regards to relic/mythic/empy weapons.

Difficulty:Reward ratio is skewed to badly with regards to these weapons its impossible to take the dev team seriously when they talk about said "balance".

Relics and Mythic should be much much more powerful.

Relics should be much more powerful with a higher DMG and better aftermath. Mythic should be on par with relics.

Empy should be SLIGHTLY easier to obtain with regard to collecting all those items at the end trials. Reduce the amount needed from 50 to 25. From 75 to 50. Bump up the NM difficulty so they cant just be easily low manned (hi to you masamune) and increase the number of NMs which must be hunted for these trials to start with.

But in the big picture im sure others can come up with better ideas than these. I just want it to be known that in my personal opinion relics should be very very powerful with the difficulty in obtaining them. Hell release a ring that corrosponds to each particular relic that when equiped your minimum WS is based off the level of the Monster you are fighting.

100-90 = 2k ws minimum
90-50 = 3k ws minimum
50-0 = 4k ws minimum

Relic/mythic should have a little bit of utility I agree, but I do not think it should be more than 2-3% better than the 2nd best option.