Relic Adjustments - The balancing act

[Gouka]

Haha, seriously? Where did you get a linear progression from? Did anyone say all stats should be proportional to time spent? Relic and Mythic should be significantly better than Empyrean weapons and the effort required to get them is really all the necessary justification. Nobody even hinted at your extremist suggestion. Your gross and inapporpriate overreaction makes me embarrassed for you.

I believe in being fair about ignoring people, and I imagine it doesn't even matter to you, but I'm letting you know formally: I find you have very little to constructively contribute, generally, and if you lash out again I'll be blocking you. Cheers.

[DebbieGibson]

Haha, seriously? Where did you get a linear progression from? Did anyone say all stats should be proportional to time spent? Relic and Mythic should be significantly better than Empyrean weapons and the effort required to get them is really all the necessary justification. Nobody even hinted at your extremist suggestion. Your gross and inapporpriate overreaction makes me embarrassed for you.

I believe in being fair about ignoring people, and I imagine it doesn't even matter to you, but I'm letting you know formally: I find you have very little to constructively contribute, generally, and if you lash out again I'll be blocking you. Cheers.

So you agree then that the time spent should not be proportionate to the strength of the weapon.

[Gouka]

I was never advocating proportional buffs in the first place. But I think most people would agree that "barely" improving them over their Empyrean counterparts is not really fair. I'm not in favor of nerfing things people have already earned, but I am in favor of bolstering items that take inordinately more time and effort to obtain.

Honestly, I see the problem as a scaling one. SE said for eight years, "This is how much work you have to do to get a weapon like this." Then they came and made Empyreans amazing and, comparitively, a joke to obtain.

[Byrth]

Keep in mind that relics are likely to get joke-y upgrade trials on the way to 99. Something along the lines of "Kill 5 Animated ______s!" followed by "Kill 5 Dynamis Lords!" Empyreans are likely to get something more like, "Collect 75 New Voidwatch NM drops!"

From what I remember, SE has expressed an intent to make the weapons approximately equally difficult to obtain at 99 after all the patches are done and the dust has settled. As such, I think the weapons will be balanced when a hardcore player for any given job has a reason to seek out all three. That's the idea with the niche approach in the OP. Each weapon should have a situation where it shines.

As pointed out on the last page, it gets hard with mage weapons because they all basically suck at the moment so making any of them an upgrade over non-big-3 weapons is met with outrage for some reason. Then, even if you can agree they should be better, you're left to decide which weapon should fill which role.

[Atomic_Skull]

DNC: Mandau

DNC has stolen enough of THF's stuff already. If they did this I would have to climb a clock tower with a rifle.

[Insaniac]

I agree Byrth. I'm thinking level 95 will be 75 and level 99 will be 100 items from something annoying. This still probably won't make them as time consuming as relics or mythics but it will bring them close enough to not have them completely outclassed for the sake of fairness. For the moment though it's super annoying for someone who spent a lot of time and/or gil on a weapon to have it outclassed. They need to balance them at all levels instead of eventually having them catch up.

[DebbieGibson]

How come when we are going to be 99 soon? The lower level ones are just going to be useless compared easy to acquire options. Or at least I would expect it will be closer to how things were at 75. Where the 2nd best weapon to a relic is something like destroyers or perdu voulge.

[Wolfandre]

If you're meleeing and doing good damage, you will inevitably tank. If you're a competent player, it's better to have you tank on RDM/NIN than the guys you're out-DDing on lolRDM. I still don't see the issue.

Point taken, good sir.

[Insaniac]

How come when we are going to be 99 soon? The lower level ones are just going to be useless compared easy to acquire options. Or at least I would expect it will be closer to how things were at 75. Where the 2nd best weapon to a relic is something like destroyers or perdu voulge.

We aren't going to be 99 for probably 7 months. That's a fair chunk of time.

[AldielQuetz]

There are posts about some Japanese text being translated into English saying that Mythics now receive an occasionally attack 2-3 instead of just 2, on their Lv 95 versions.

Can anyone at SE confirm the validity of this information?

And if so: the same text shows no change in relic weapons other than their base damage increasing to the same as their mythic counterpart(burtang and Excalibur both reaching D69). Can we also expect an increase in the performance of our aftermath? Like increases in Regen, addition of Refresh in Excalibur's case?

Thank you for your time^^