Synergy Reborn: Revisit Evolith System?

[Leonlionheart]

I feel really bad for Camate. Reading this has got to be like reading an endless research paper that states similar things over and over again- written by different people varying from retarded to brilliant.

However in this labyrinth of opinion there are very good points and very good counter arguments, and I do hope that the development team gets some of the suggestions and considers them.

[Aquilla]

Vxsote said it perfectly. I like all of his points. I think that everyone who replied so far made excellent points, but if only one gets read, it should be Vxsote's.

I'd like to add my vote to the "Evoliths are way too situational" group. Nobody will ever want to have a piece of gear that only works vs. a single mob family.

Also, gear that the evoliths could go on is pretty rare. At the moment, there is no reason why I would ever want an evolith or one of the etchable synergy specific gearsets.

what I like!:

-- warp rings. The jeuno ring got a lot of use from me when I was questing.

-- cool furnishings. My sister collects 'em, and they were fun to make together.

-- group synthing. I admit I didn't think it'd work, but its actually not that bad, and kind of fun! Me and my family got together and made some rings and furnishings.

suggestions/wishlist!:

-- Evolith that give a set amount of stats. Example: accuracy+10, evasion+5, str+2, what have you. No mob family specific evolith, please.

--make every piece of gear etchable. Is it really going to break the game at this point? I don't think so. It'll definitely get everyone wanting synergy, though. It might allow people to condense some of their gear. Even if there are limits as to how many evoliths/what strenght can go on a piece.

--make synergy give certain aesthetic value to armor. Even if it gives no stats, being able to dye a piece of gear a certain color is going to make this craft very popular. We are a vain bunch.

-- no more sidegrades. I like situational gear -- heck, I still have a VIT/chakra swap for my monk -- but please, SE, we don't need any *more* gear. Give us a way to condense some of it. It's okay to have gear swaps, but most people posting here mention that they have 70+ pieces just for everyday, regular stuff. It's okay if you let us condense some of it.

-- I'm firmly in the realm of 'it'll never happen', but prism staff. With the magian trials separating magic accuracy/magic damage/smn perp staves, what's a mage to do? How's about letting us put some of those staves together?

that is all ^^

[Vagrua]

Vxsote
-- I'm firmly in the realm of 'it'll never happen', but prism staff. With the magian trials separating magic accuracy/magic damage/smn perp staves, what's a mage to do? How's about letting us put some of those staves together?

I wish this could actually happen. Maybe trading multiple staffs to combine into one as a synergy recipe/trial though only referring to magician trials that have sets of similar augments like perp and magic damage ones as mentioned.

Example:
Synergy recipe: Agni's staff +2 Vayu's staff +2 Indra's staff +2 Surya's staff +2 Kubera's staff +2 Varuna's staff +2 Soma's staff +2 Yama's staff +2 becomes
Supreme staff
Magic Acc +1
Magic Damage +5
Casting time -12%


Being able to combine pet axes together would be really nice too such as having evasion axes combine with pdt ones.

Example:
Synergy recipe: Guichard's axe +2 x2 becomes
Supreme axe
VIT+9 AGI+9
Pet:
Phys. dmg taken -10% Evasion +20

Being able to mix around the augments, yet having limits of usually only two weapons combined excluding cases like magic damage and perp staffs.

[Inafking]

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Cobra_Unit_Robe_Set
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Iron_Ram_Hauberk_Set
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Cobra_Harness_Set

Please let me augment items I spent much time obtaining.

[Aarahs]

Replace synergy time limits with a point system that increases points based on skill level. This way success rate isn't dependent on connection speed. You can still make multiple people required since the action points run out. There would still be strategy/player skill as you would have to plan/adjust for overloading and such. And minimal tweaking of the menu would be needed as there would be no rush to hunt for an option.

[Mightyg]

I think just streamlining the synergy minigame into something a little more fun, maybe a cutscene event like some of the campaign ops would go a long way to getting people on board. Evolith should just go the way of the dodo, it's too complicated, too limited, and not rewarding enough. Augments should be significant, limited in stats by equipment slot, not job. and clear in how to obtain.

[Nala]

Bleh been unable to post for a few days even though ive been reading this thread all along >.<

no further expantion on the hunt registry system, rare/ex preset evoliths, craftable evoliths, revamp of the slotting system/shapes, no more situational evoliths straight/static stat boosts (save for maybe hq'd crafted evoliths), make all gear etchable.

either add an automaton attachment type system for acquired evoliths so you do not have to constantly reaquire evoliths when upgrading (would limit you to 1 evolith of each potency aka 1 str +3 +4 +5 ect) or make all evoliths over writable, this would make demand for certain evoliths and give people a reason to keep coming back to certain NM's though i think most would be against the second idea.

anyways when i first heard they were adding the evolith system (i know im about to get flamed for this but /sigh) i was kind of excited because i thought we were getting an "enchantment" style system (yes i know yall hate it but wow... god forbid another game have a better way of doing things...) if you look at the way wow goes about it now its kinda evolith style, you can purchase premade enchantments off the AH and apply them to your gear.

The point of all that i've said so far, they want to make synergy relevant, most of us have voiced our opinion that random augments is just about the last thing we want to see, yes the old evolith system was less then ideal, lets revamp it. we know this dev team knows a thing or two about how players gear their jobs, see af3+2 save for a few outlying pieces in each category have very applicable stats, id much rather the dev team make an evolith system even the haters could apreciate then waste time on another synergy based system, whether you like the synergy system or not they are moving in this direction with or without your input, i implore you to contribute vice just say evoliths sucks, no duh, thats the point of this thread in the first place.

if you dont like the evolith system by all means please suggest a better way of going about augmenting gear, but if all you have to say is synergy sucks, evoliths sucks dont bother anymore your not even being constructive.

[Covenant]

I'm not a synergist.

That being said, I always envisioned synergy system as one of not only augment but one of EVOLUTION. A pictured an item which could continually be built upon with bonuses(good stats). Not one of randomness and junk benefits. Specialize gear to specific families of creatures are lame. Adding -5secs on a 2nd timers is lame.

The "good" ones were the time decreases,but gear already existed that had better returns.

If you want to make synergy pop here a few things to do.

On regular synergy item(ex apple pies) allow a greater chance at HQ returns.

On "beast family" gear allow greater returns such as intimidation and "rolls".

On timers, especially 2hr allow a instant return rather than keeping armor "on" and allow greater returns such as 30min increments. On recast timers allow greater returns approaching tier 3 or higher speed.

Where are the "charged" items/gear. Having a piece that gives a regen IV~iiX effect is interesting. Create new tier charge items.

Slots are lame. Create a system were armor lvls(increments of 10) can hold greater potency and can be "upgraded". For example, a lvl10 gear can only hold 1 "slot". A lvl99 can hold 9 "slots". Slots are considered upgrades. Max of 3 "types" of augments. Meaning a bonus of +9 to single augments, or +3 to 3 augments.

Slots are the standards, and eliminate shapes and colors or whatever. The greater the slots and upgraded the harder to synergze. Each synergies items can only be attempted once per conquest(1 earth week).

Create multi-effect augments tied to specific game styles. Example mages, mp conserve, fast cast, MaB etc.

[Cljader1]

By the way lets bring back Aern Weapons (for ex: like the galatyn, machismo etc.) I would love to see a second tier for these types of weapons and would like too see a Aern scythe and shield added in too. I always considered these to be crafted relics, it would be my crafting dream for you guys to add a second tier of these that could complete with emyphean weapons. The Aern weapons set should have there own unique WS, maybe that could be installed in the form of powerful evoliths. I have no problem with the second tier of these weapons being very expensive or hard to make, but Aern weapons and maybe even Aern type armor can be the shining beacon on what crafting can do.

[Lastranger]

Synergy menu problem
Please if posible add a macro command set tto synergy, like many allready posted the npc menu with it's lag is a killer on anyone levling synergy.
Sugestion macro command = /synergy "Feed Earth" <t>
/synergy "Twack furnace" <t>
/synergy "End Synergy" <t>

although it may not fix all the connection problems related to lag it at least would allow crafters to have a pre made menu made into macro set for synergy, making the expirience a bit less painful and anoying.

As an added bonus this would also allow those off us that have 2 acounts with crafts levled to synergize together without having to bother nonplayer friends and having to explain the whole synergy process.


Evolith system problem
I agrea with a lot here, that except from doing reapeted BCNM's that r caped against same family mob the restrictions on evoliths towards family was a bit much and ruined the greatnes that Evolith should have been.

Personaly i wish the system might be reworked to a little less restricted version.
Add evoliths in elementh types and non element.
Example = Earth Evolith could have +vit +def or slow vs monsters, etc
Fire Evolith could have +Str +Att +Double attack or status effects like Virus vs monster

To add a layer to complexity, u could make the evoliths like the one's we have today Type oriented so some effects is possible for wepons only or body only and some would be max amount type on a agumentable type armour so there wont be gear would double/triple same stats agumented.

Evolith Crafting through synergy
Allow some evoliths to be crafted toghether for new variations using various crafts.
The ability to combine some Evolith's farmed from monster hunts with some special materials from crafts to further boost the stat on the Evolith dropped or add an extra stat more pinpointed at what u want on ur gear.

These could be a special type Evolith so they may be limited to 1 on each piece of gear or only on specific types of gear.

Example = Base Fire Evolith from hunt has +5 attack , the synergy adds a Cluster of fire elemeth type + a crafted
item that points the elementh power towards Double attack + some synergy bought item as to fuse it all
into the Evolith.
Result = new Fire Evolith with stats +5 attack +1% Double attack (HQ = +5 Attack +2% Double attack )

Have some rare items for the craft be Special drop like items that boost multilple stats, like one that in example above would also add +str +Double attack or +Attack +Str, where the HQ always allows for a better result scaling up.

Have some of the easier craft items be stuff that can improve curent stats on hunted/found Evolith's as well

Example = Fire Evolith with stats +5 attack, synergy items Fire Cluster + Crafted item that boost existing stats of
fire elemeth + some synergy bought item for the fuseion process,
Result = +8 attack as NQ and Scaling with each level of HQ so HQ1 might be +10, HQ2 is +12 etc
but the scale is based on base stat so if the base is higher the boost yields more for every HQ for higher
level Gear/Evoliths
Gear will determin if the etching gets full use of the evolith stat on a level basis so one cant get +35attack
on a level 10 piece of gear ( example )


Food Evolith
Allow a special type Evolith to augement food, make these evolith's buyable from npc or drops from some BCnm's etc

The food Evolith should have own types as well, but to avoid overpowering food items make it so if u augement a meat food with allready attack on it u get a difrent stat still relevant to a DD.

Example = Yellow Curry has loads of +attack etc, Fire Food Evolith Grants one of these eeffects random Double attack
+1% or Blaze Spikes or +50 Fire resist or EnFire1. (scaled effect on HQ or posibility of 2 effects at once)

But try keep the randoms at a low nr of buffs posible so we dont got 20+ possible stats added making the craft to unpredictable and once more people wont use it cause of too low chance for good augement.
3 -5 posibility's should be good.

hopefully i didnt wear out ur poor moogle eye's