Job Adjustments manifesto Discussion

[Malamasala]

Dallas there's no comparsion between SMN melee and RDM melee. RDM was implemented as a light melee/nuker/healer hybrid. SMN on the other hand was a backline pet mage. I've nothing against RDM melee, I've seen it do great as a light DD(and this is without the need for phony numbers to back it up).

When are these meaningless debates going to end?

All jobs who can walk up next to a mob and melee it, without significantly hurting their role, is fine, right? I'm pretty sure both RDM and SMN can do that. Well, GOOD RDMs or SMNs. I won't make a statement that anyone could do it without putting effort into it.

[Razushu]

When are these meaningless debates going to end?

All jobs who can walk up next to a mob and melee it, without significantly hurting their role, is fine, right? I'm pretty sure both RDM and SMN can do that. Well, GOOD RDMs or SMNs. I won't make a statement that anyone could do it without putting effort into it.

Unfortunately they're probably only going to end when Dallas stops being enteraining, and right now it's still too much fun poking him to let up. I apologise if I upset any of the more sensible meleeing mages out there, but I'm not actually attacking mage melee. I'm just playing with Dallas. Mage melee like most things has a place somewhere in this game, and like I've said before if the mobs weak enough and no one else involved minds go for it.

[Korpg]

When are these meaningless debates going to end?

All jobs who can walk up next to a mob and melee it, without significantly hurting their role, is fine, right? I'm pretty sure both RDM and SMN can do that. Well, GOOD RDMs or SMNs. I won't make a statement that anyone could do it without putting effort into it.

Yet, Great SMNs don't need to melee to still get the kills they need, and can solo harder stuff than Groundskeepers and such.

But that is besides the point....or is it?

[Malamasala]

Yet, Great SMNs don't need to melee to still get the kills they need, and can solo harder stuff than Groundskeepers and such.

But that is besides the point....or is it?

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. So BLU being able to do their job from backline means only bad BLUs melee? In Abyssea a DNC can get regain and stand at backlines and heal... is this the superior way over melee for TP?

If you can do your role in melee range or back line, simply choose what you'd like. I do however suggest against melee range if you expect to die every 30 seconds. But that is a personal opinion of mine.

[Razushu]

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. So BLU being able to do their job from backline means only bad BLUs melee? In Abyssea a DNC can get regain and stand at backlines and heal... is this the superior way over melee for TP?

If you can do your role in melee range or back line, simply choose what you'd like. I do however suggest against melee range if you expect to die every 30 seconds. But that is a personal opinion of mine.

Mala tbh the argument for SMNmelee, is the exact same as an argument for backline DNC. Trying to play a job in a role where it's weakest and wasn't built for in the first place. Although it is weird you never see a melee gear for backline and expect to be viable there.

Not saying mages shouldn't melee if they want when the situation allows. People with sense(like you seem to have) should be able to play the way they want, if it's not too determiental to the goal.

[Leonlionheart]

Mala tbh the argument for SMNmelee, is the exact same as an argument for backline DNC or BLU. Trying to play a job in a role where it's weakest and wasn't built for in the first place. Although it is weird you never see a melee gear for backline and expect to be viable there.

Not saying mages shouldn't melee if they want when the situation allows. People with sense(like you seem to have) should be able to play the way they want, if it's not too determiental to the goal.

Hold the phone. Backline BLU can, in some cases, be amazing. It actually cures FANTASTIC outside of abyssea, with the most MP efficient cure in the game. Well cures better than SMN RDM SCH anyway, if you're fully geared for cure.

[Razushu]

Hold the phone. Backline BLU can, in some cases, be amazing. It actually cures FANTASTIC outside of abyssea, with the most MP efficient cure in the game. Well cures better than SMN RDM SCH anyway, if you're fully geared for cure.

My apologies. Statement revoked.

[Leonlionheart]

My apologies. Statement revoked.

You'll find like 3 BLUs ever who actually gear for it, so it's really uncommon. But I thoroughly enjoy BLU curing outside abyssea, with proper refresh.
The set is very specific though, as it requires Add on hat and legs to be aug'd with cure potency to really shine.

[Korpg]

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. So BLU being able to do their job from backline means only bad BLUs melee?

Considering that you have to be at least 5 yards away from the mob for most physical damage spells to work, and the essence of being a melee is to be within range to swing a weapon, then yeah, being in the back means you are a bad melee, regardless of the job.

[Leonlionheart]

Considering that you have to be at least 5 yards away from the mob for most physical damage spells to work, and the essence of being a melee is to be within range to swing a weapon, then yeah, being in the back means you are a bad melee, regardless of the job.

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