Job Adjustments manifesto Discussion

[Razushu]

Ignore Korpg, Duelle. He is anti-melee SMN. Since no one has bothered figuring out how to make melee RDM stronger than melee SMN, he will spout random numbers forever.

If he mentions:
1) lack of accuracy
2) lack of attack
3) TP feed
4) WAR, Byakko's Axe, Ukon or otherwise

He's in blind rage mode. These are all arguments that someone else proposed and he has assimilated.

Dallas there's no comparsion between SMN melee and RDM melee. RDM was implemented as a light melee/nuker/healer hybrid. SMN on the other hand was a backline pet mage. I've nothing against RDM melee, I've seen it do great as a light DD(and this is without the need for phony numbers to back it up).

[Dallas]

Raz, if you haven't levelled staff skill, go back to the other thread.

[Razushu]

Raz, if you haven't levelled staff skill, go back to the other thread.

My skills are more than leveled enough to understand the difference between a mage(SMN) and a DD*.

* WAR, SAM, DRG ETC.

[Duelle]

I don't care if you want to melee, go ahead. You can make your RDM play the way you want, I'll do it with mine. I'm not putting words in your mouth, I'm just stating that neither Savage Blade nor Death Blossom is bad at all. If you think doing 2k damage on either one is bad, then that is you.

Nice of you to ignore my points with a stock "I don't care" response. Also, try to read the quotes in the proper order and context. The words in mouth bit is on shields, not on Red Mage melee.

If I understand you correctly, your main gripe isn't shield, but it is how Defense is figured in this game.

Try reading what I say instead of making random claims. Shield is part of a greater whole in the game of damage mitigation. As I said, normally survivability is supposed to increase from just equipping the shield. What we have here instead is blocks and shield size coming into play while the shield is a stat stick, sans the stats.

[Korpg]

I don't know what you want, you are being very confusing.

About the shields: Think about it. If you have a huge shield that can block your entire body, wouldn't that be able to block the most damage that is coming to you? But wait, a huge shield must weigh a ton, so it is hard to use it effectively. Hence the "Tower" sized shield. Bucklers are the same way: Small shields that can block more often, but not as much blocking damage part, hence the "Buckler" sized shields. Shields in between block less damage than the towers, but more times than the towers, but block more damage than the bucklers, but less times than the bucklers.

I honestly think that you want DT- on your shield, that is what I am getting from you. But you will just accuse me of putting words in your mouth again, won't you?

[Leonlionheart]

Guys, RDM and SMN melee is silly. 2k is not good damage in abyssea, go back to refresh, haste, blind, paralyze, slow: like what the job is obviously for. K.

Just gonna make you mad but you need to be put in your place!

[Korpg]

Hey, if he can continue to buff/debuff, I'm ok with him meleeing on trash mobs.

Important stuff, he can go watch like Dallas does.

[Leonlionheart]

Well on EXP mobs who cares.

But if you GET CLOSE TO AZDAJA I will SCREAM YOUR F***ING EAR OFF.

[Malamasala]

Dallas there's no comparsion between SMN melee and RDM melee. RDM was implemented as a light melee/nuker/healer hybrid. SMN on the other hand was a backline pet mage. I've nothing against RDM melee, I've seen it do great as a light DD(and this is without the need for phony numbers to back it up).

When are these meaningless debates going to end?

All jobs who can walk up next to a mob and melee it, without significantly hurting their role, is fine, right? I'm pretty sure both RDM and SMN can do that. Well, GOOD RDMs or SMNs. I won't make a statement that anyone could do it without putting effort into it.

[Razushu]

When are these meaningless debates going to end?

All jobs who can walk up next to a mob and melee it, without significantly hurting their role, is fine, right? I'm pretty sure both RDM and SMN can do that. Well, GOOD RDMs or SMNs. I won't make a statement that anyone could do it without putting effort into it.

Unfortunately they're probably only going to end when Dallas stops being enteraining, and right now it's still too much fun poking him to let up. I apologise if I upset any of the more sensible meleeing mages out there, but I'm not actually attacking mage melee. I'm just playing with Dallas. Mage melee like most things has a place somewhere in this game, and like I've said before if the mobs weak enough and no one else involved minds go for it.