On Red Mage melee...

[Supersun]

pld pld whm brd brd cor tank party

Sentinel's Scherzo + Ballad 1

[Aurara]

You got 7 ppl in your party? Two PLD's and a tank? Sweet.

It's your $12.95, play as closed-minded as you please. Some RDM's are content to sit on the sidelines and pretend to be WHM. I'm not a WHM.

I count 6 PLDx2 RDM WHM BRD COR. I think you're being the close minded one in this case, because you wont consider any boost to rdm unless it is melee oriented.

[Aurara]

Sentinel's Scherzo + Ballad 1

Lol, suck less SS/March can get refresh from cor and marches as well as have refresh 2

[Supersun]

Lol, suck less SS/March can get refresh from cor and marches as well as have refresh 2

But why would you invite a Rdm for refresh II when a Brd using Ballad 1 will provide as much MP as the Rdm using Refresh II would, and the brd still has one more song to use.

[Aurara]

But why would you invite a Rdm for refresh II when a Brd using Ballad 1 will provide as much MP as the Rdm using Refresh II would, and the brd still has one more song to use.

Why would you use inferior ballads? Also, Phalanx 2 is still nice for individual melee hits/TP moves that scherzo wont drop the dmg down on, seriously, you guys make rdm look so useless its incredible.

[Rayik]

Why would you use inferior ballads? Also, Phalanx 2 is still nice for individual melee hits/TP moves that scherzo wont drop the dmg down on, seriously, you guys make rdm look so useless its incredible.

You're doing a pretty good job showing us how. Thanks, Pa!

[Rayik]

I count 6 PLDx2 RDM WHM BRD COR. I think you're being the close minded one in this case, because you wont consider any boost to rdm unless it is melee oriented.

Ah, I see it now. Punctuation works wonders, man. You know, apostrophe's, comma's and shit.

[Aurara]

Ah, I see it now. Punctuation works wonders, man. You know, apostrophe's, comma's and shit.

Ad hominem attacks really make you look ridiculous.

[Rayik]

Ad hominem attacks really make you look ridiculous.

Ah, there's that big word again. I'm just discussing, you're the one doing the attacking. "Suck less" isn't very nice.

[Supersun]

Why would you use inferior ballads? Also, Phalanx 2 is still nice for individual melee hits/TP moves that scherzo wont drop the dmg down on, seriously, you guys make rdm look so useless its incredible.

That was more of the point. If Ballad ONE is equal to refresh II then why would you EVER consider a Red Mage for refresh unless you already have 2 bards, a corsair, and 2x of the job you are refreshing.

And you're going to invite a red mage for phalanx...really? Phalanx does shit for TP attacks and for everything else there's utsusemi not to mention you know, Pld has Phalanx natively now.

Really, list one scenario where you think Rdm is useful and I can probably replace it with a better job.