On Red Mage melee...

[Rayik]

The mantra of the gimps who half-ass for sure, but I can assure you i half-ass nothing on RDM.

No, you're just a WHM in a fancy red hat. For all the negativity you spew on these threads, hearing you talk about being a RDM actually surprises me.

EDIT: As an addendum, really, just being a RDM you are nothing but half-assed. We all are. Anything RDM can do, any other job in the game can do better. Even enfeebles, BLU and WHM can shut us down with those. Heck, enfeeble's aren't even necessary in most current content.

So really, RDM is nothing but half-ass at it's finest; it's just which role you are choosing to half-ass when you play.

[Aurara]

No, you're just a WHM in a fancy red hat. For all the negativity you spew on these threads, hearing you talk about being a RDM actually surprises me.

EDIT: As an addendum, really, just being a RDM you are nothing but half-assed. We all are. Anything RDM can do, any other job in the game can do better. Even enfeebles, BLU and WHM can shut us down with those. Heck, enfeeble's aren't even necessary in most current content.

So really, RDM is nothing but half-ass at it's finest; it's just which role you are choosing to half-ass when you play.

So i halfass RDM is keeping up refresh/haste cycles, debuffing mobs, making sure people are buffed if they get dispelled, helping cure DDs that the whm can't hit at once?

[Rayik]

So i halfass RDM bu keeping up refresh/haste cycles, debuffing mobs, making sure people are buffed if they get dispelled, helping cure DDs that the whm can't hit at once?

And aside from Refresh, how is it that the WHM can't do all the above? Why can't the WHM hit those DD's and you somehow can?

EDIT: Oh wait, WHM can just /rdm and get Resfresh 1 AND Convert too. So yeah, how are you out-doing the WHM again?

[Aurara]

And aside from Refresh, how is it that the WHM can't do all the above? Why can't the WHM hit those DD's and you somehow can?

EDIT: Oh wait, WHM can just /rdm and get Resfresh 1 AND Convert too. So yeah, how are you out-doing the WHM again?

Maybe to save them the trouble of having to refresh/cure/haste every single person? Really, Refresh2>refresh1 and /sch>/rdm for whm so your point is moot again. You would really expect the whm to cure/haste/refresh every person on an HNM fight so that the RDM could hit the mob with his sword? I must have forgotten the part where RDM can addle/slow2/para2, you know simple things that dont mean anything. Leaving all the haste/cure/refresh duty to the whm is pretty stupid, having another person to share hasting is pretty nice for events like voidwatch.

Edit: I never said I would out-do WHM, do you take me for a fool?

[Rayik]

Maybe to save them the trouble of having to refresh/cure/haste every single person? Really, Refresh2>refresh1 and /sch>/rdm for whm so your point is moot again. You would really expect the whm to cure/haste/refresh every person on an HNM fight so that the RDM could hit the mob with his sword? I must have forgotten the part where RDM can addle/slow2/para2, you know simple things that dont mean anything. Leaving all the haste/cure/refresh duty to the whm is pretty stupid, having another person to share hasting is pretty nice for events like voidwatch.

Edit: I never said I would out-do WHM, do you take me for a fool?

Anything you can do, a 2nd WHM can do better. In this role, you are a half-assed WHM at best; even with the best gear and skills, a specialist job can cast circles around you. Heck a SCH, which is yet another hybrid, can even -aga most of those buffs you cycle through.

Weren't we just having this go-round on the subject of melee?

[Aurara]

Anything you can do, a 2nd WHM can do better. In this role, you are a half-assed WHM at best; even with the best gear and skills, a specialist job can cast circles around you. Heck a SCH, which is yet another hybrid, can even -aga most of those buffs you cycle through.

Weren't we just having this go-round on the subject of melee?

So whm can keep mobs slow2/para2'd? A 2nd whm is hardly needed unless its dualboxed, but then again you like arguing in circles to try and prove a point.

Edit: I forgot the 34 DT phalanx that rdm gives, woops! Let's not forget that out of abyssea RDM can still compete with whm for cures and is very useful for backup cures.

[Rayik]

So whm can keep mobs slow2/para2'd? A 2nd whm is hardly needed unless its dualboxed, but then again you like arguing in circles to try and prove a point.

You see many shouts in PJ for a RDM to para2/slow2 a NM? Really? How am I arguing in circles? Yes, we're going in circles because you are contradicting yourself. My original argument was that a RDM can contribute to dealing damage(but not replace a DD), and you came out swinging like I just insulted the Pope. You argue that a RDM can contribute to buffing and curing(but not replace a WHM). See where I'm going with this? We're saying the same thing.

RDM are the ultimate contributers/support job. RDM fills gaps in parties, but can do very little to stand on it's own.

[Rayik]

Edit: I forgot the 34 DT phalanx that rdm gives, woops! Let's not forget that out of abyssea RDM can still compete with whm for cures and is very useful for backup cures.

And WHM can add a Stoneskin effect with it's cures. Outside of Abyssea a BLM can back up cure just as well(psst-blm can get cure4 with /whm too). What's your point again?