On Red Mage melee...

[Rayik]

Or you could be a good mage and know what TP moves do what so you can be ready to remove the enfeeb once you see the TP move in the chatlog, like I do.

And who says I don't? I never said I don't play support as well.

Because FFXI=every other FF game out there.

I'm citing the reference to where all this silly RDM melee business originated. You act like it's some totally foreign concept a bunch of us just dreamed up. I'm citing that in FF games, RDM were viable melee mages. They're broke in XI, and we're clamoring for a fix.

[Supersun]

People really are fooling themselves if they think Rdm is going to be super awesome once we leave abyssea.

The simple fact is that excluding saboteur which has been horribly nerfed on any sort of NM the difference between a Rdms and a Whms enfeebles is about 10%. Sure, Rdm can bring refresh 2 to the party as well, but that's only adding +3 MP/tick from what they would normally have which isn't nearly as impressive when jobs pretty much innately already have 3 MP/tick and convert.

So are slightly stronger enfeebles and a little more refresh worth inviting a red mage over another white mages MP pool + cure V+VI for?

Red Mage only becomes slightly more viable when there are 4+ MP users in a party where refresh II actually starts to matter vs just doubling up on that job, but then again you would be better off inviting a Brd since Elegly stacks with slow and ballad stack with refresh.

Whm + Brd's 80% slow and 12 MP/tick kinda annihilates Whm + Rdm's 35% slow and 6 MP/tick.

[Aurara]

pld pld whm rdm brd cor tank party \o/

Edit: for voidwatch!

[Rayik]

pld pld whm rdm brd cor tank party \o/

You got 7 ppl in your party? Two PLD's and a tank? Sweet.

It's your $12.95, play as closed-minded as you please. Some RDM's are content to sit on the sidelines and pretend to be WHM. I'm not a WHM.

[Aurara]

You got 7 ppl in your party? Two PLD's and a tank? Sweet.

It's your $12.95, play as closed-minded as you please. Some RDM's are content to sit on the sidelines and pretend to be WHM. I'm not a WHM.

I count 6 PLDx2 RDM WHM BRD COR. I think you're being the close minded one in this case, because you wont consider any boost to rdm unless it is melee oriented.

[Rayik]

I count 6 PLDx2 RDM WHM BRD COR. I think you're being the close minded one in this case, because you wont consider any boost to rdm unless it is melee oriented.

Ah, I see it now. Punctuation works wonders, man. You know, apostrophe's, comma's and shit.

[Aurara]

Ah, I see it now. Punctuation works wonders, man. You know, apostrophe's, comma's and shit.

Ad hominem attacks really make you look ridiculous.

[Supersun]

pld pld whm brd brd cor tank party

Sentinel's Scherzo + Ballad 1

[Aurara]

Sentinel's Scherzo + Ballad 1

Lol, suck less SS/March can get refresh from cor and marches as well as have refresh 2

[Supersun]

Lol, suck less SS/March can get refresh from cor and marches as well as have refresh 2

But why would you invite a Rdm for refresh II when a Brd using Ballad 1 will provide as much MP as the Rdm using Refresh II would, and the brd still has one more song to use.