Here you go again, attacking me because you have no bases for an argument, I even told you to melee if you really wanted to, but know it's not efficient.
Uh, our basis is "we know it sucks" and you yammering about how things are now/were is telling us nothing we don't know. Furthermore, insisting that's how things should stay despite the possibility of improvements countering any and all negatives is what has us "losing civility" toward you. We get it, you're not interested, and are basically living up to my prior suspicion.

Christ, you wanna babble on about damage reduction sets, but at the same time shoot down an idea that could translate to an instant 10-15% damage reduction on TP moves for everyone who doesn't have a BRD+SMN in their party before that gear even comes into play. You go on citing Subtle Blow is useless because of /NIN, Auspice, and Rajas, even though SE could easily tweak caps and implement further TP management tools. Then cry about how a RDM isn't doing their duties if they're swinging, but when they're buffing in full Emp+2 with Cape, more or less doubling durations of Haste/Refresh, you're saying you're okay standing with their thumb up their butt in the back? Because there's nothing about hitting auto-attack that suddenly blocks out the HP pool of party members for doling out emergency cures or panning the camera for the occasional link to be slept, if that's even a threat in a given camp. And, well, you've otherwise been implying that a WHM and RDM should never be in the same party, which is a concept of role redundancy this thread has attempted to address on multiple occasions and I know for sure that I've rambled about it years prior on other sites. Instead, people would just rather drop the RDM, even if it was the only thing seeking. Can't say that bodes for being a meaningful generalist.