On Red Mage melee...

[ManaKing]

No job is difficult to play.

Agreed, I'm saying that RDM die less easily to 1 shots than other jobs.

[Aurara]

Agreed, I'm saying that RDM die less easily to 1 shots than other jobs.

I know this, I have solo'd/tanked multiple things on rdm, and have friends who have tanked the same if not more stuff than myself. What you don't get is, the buffs you guys are asking for are absolutely ridiculous, and overpowered.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

You don't get it do you? I'm not saying "OMG MELEE RDM IS TERRIBLE NEVER DO IT" I'm saying do it when things don't matter, like messing with friends in an xp alliance, or farming lights/time. It's useless on big NMs when you're doing nothing more than feeding extra TP that the pt doesnt need to deal with.

No one in this thread, or at least myself personally wouldn't melee on NM's where little TP feeding is advised in the same way a THF doesn't outside of Abyssea after getting capped TH, nor on something where I'd focus entirely on a different job, IE Enhancing, Debuffing or so on.

That said, people have a right to be able to ask for what was advertised when they leveled the job in the beginning, in the same way if something was advertised on a box and didn't come included you'd want a refund or otherwise.

Some things that are asked for are crazily over-powered so of course SE wouldn't add them, but they can still add something, if nothing else that gives RDM it's unique back again because as it stands we have nothing.

Heal/Enhance - I'll play as WHM
Nuke - BLM or SCH
Sword DD - BLU or PLD
Other DD - any off the other countless DD's

Even enfeebling RDM does not do best, now I get they're a "jack of all trades, master of none" but they shouldn't be 100% worse than every other job including being beaten in melee DMG by a WHM who are not meant to melee.

[ManaKing]

You don't get it do you? I'm not saying "OMG MELEE RDM IS TERRIBLE NEVER DO IT" I'm saying do it when things don't matter, like messing with friends in an xp alliance, or farming lights/time. It's useless on big NMs when you're doing nothing more than feeding extra TP that the pt doesnt need to deal with.

IT MATTERS TO US THAT WE CAN MELEE WHEN IT MATTERS. YOU HAVE JUST INSULTED THE ENTIRE ROOM.

STFU AND GTFO OF THE THREAD THAT IS ABOUT MAKING RDM MELEE VIABLE. WE DON'T WANT YOUR OPINION THAT RDM, CURRENTLY, IS BAD AT MELEE. WE KNOW. THANKS FOR NOT READING THE PREMISE OF THE THREAD AND WASTING PEOPLE'S TIME.

[Aurara]

IT MATTERS TO US THAT WE CAN MELEE WHEN IT MATTERS. YOU HAVE JUST INSULTED THE ENTIRE ROOM.

STFU AND GTFO OF THE THREAD THAT IS ABOUT MAKING RDM MELEE VIABLE. WE DON'T WANT YOUR OPINION THAT RDM, CURRENTLY, IS BAD AT MELEE. WE KNOW. THANKS FOR NOT READING THE PREMISE OF THE THREAD AND WASTING PEOPLE'S TIME.

Here you go again, attacking me because you have no bases for an argument, I even told you to melee if you really wanted to, but know it's not efficient.

[ManaKing]

I know this, I have solo'd/tanked multiple things on rdm, and have friends who have tanked the same if not more stuff than myself. What you don't get is, the buffs you guys are asking for are absolutely ridiculous, and overpowered.

By comparison to RDM almost every job in the game is OP and Ridiculous, especially at end game and especially with their AF3+2.

We are brainstorming how to get our job, the one that was fine to melee from lvls 1-50, back to doing what we like doing. Which is melee/heal/nuke. I didn't say play a piss poor BLM/WHM that can't melee properly, because that is what we currently are.

The only thing that I am needed for is Phallanx 2 for FCs. Kinda like I was only good for Refresh a couple years back. When this game came out RDM was legit, it was fun, and I loved the shit out of it. Why make RDM great at the beginning and then pull the rug out from under us as soon as we get to the end game?

[ManaKing]

Here you go again, attacking me because you have no bases for an argument, I even told you to melee if you really wanted to, but know it's not efficient.

And I'm saying you are an idiot that doesn't read even the premise of the thread before posting. The point of this thread is to improve melee on RDM so that it is desirable in a party setting that matters. Since you clearly don't understand that I'm just going to assume you are yet another troll/idiot that wandered in here.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

By comparison to RDM almost every job in the game is OP and Ridiculous, especially at end game and especially with their AF3+2.

We are brainstorming how to get our job, the one that was fine to melee from lvls 1-50, back to doing what we like doing. Which is melee/heal/nuke. I didn't say play a piss poor BLM/WHM that can't melee properly, because that is what we currently are.

The only thing that I am needed for is Phallanx 2 for FCs. Kinda like I was only good for Refresh a couple years back. When this game came out RDM was legit, it was fun, and I loved the shit out of it. Why make RDM great at the beginning and then pull the rug out from under us as soon as we get to the end game?

SE got scared, RDM was getting too powerful at soloing which is kind of the opposite of a MMO, that said they can stop with the gimping, and even worse taking us off equipment that jobs like BLU can wear which at one time RDM could also.

That said, shouldn't be so rude to people even if they're only here to troll (Aurara not saying you are, just in general) SE will just ignore the thread even more, or close it.

[Aurara]

By comparison to RDM almost every job in the game is OP and Ridiculous, especially at end game and especially with their AF3+2.

OK, not part of argument, but ill give you that.

We are brainstorming how to get our job, the one that was fine to melee from lvls 1-50, back to doing what we like doing. Which is melee/heal/nuke. I didn't say play a piss poor BLM/WHM that can't melee properly, because that is what we currently are.

The only thing that I am needed for is Phallanx 2 for FCs. Kinda like I was only good for Refresh a couple years back. When this game came out RDM was legit, it was fun, and I loved the shit out of it. Why make RDM great at the beginning and then pull the rug out from under us as soon as we get to the end game?

But see, you didn't get my argument that i have stated countless times, that 99.99% of people who do rdm melee the way you want, will be really really bad, which you don't seem to get.

[Aurara]

And I'm saying you are an idiot that doesn't read even the premise of the thread before posting. The point of this thread is to improve melee on RDM so that it is desirable in a party setting that matters. Since you clearly don't understand that I'm just going to assume you are yet another troll/idiot that wandered in here.

You don't get it, I'm not here to make fun of you, or call you names(like you are calling me), if I was here to troll I dont think i'd be trying to understand your point of view, but how am I supposed to take you seriously if all you do is call me a troll/idiot when our ideas conflict? You want it to be desirable in a party setting, I get it, but what you dont get is that in order for that to happen, they would need to give RDM ridiculous buffs.