Puppetmaster's Asuran Fists <Where?>

[Mizuharu]

Fix the WHMa uto's behavior. Give PUP something new. Don't waste development time on changing quest for PUPs to do it and changing the items and WS for pup to use them. We don't need it, and that's all there is to it. It would change nothing and not really benefit anyone.

I think doing the coding for the Asuran Fists quest would take the same, if not less, time than the WHM AI; which if you aren't use to it by now, then damn. And you aren't reading the other posts of other PUPs agreeing with me or are you reading just what you want to see?

[Alhanelem]

I don't care if it takes 5 minutes or 5 months, the dev team's time is better spent elsewhere from giving us a WS that serves us little purpose other than to say we have it, which is the only compelling argument i've heard so far.

There are people agreeing with me too. Just because someone agrees with you doesn't mean you're right or your opinion is the best one. It irritates me when you throw around words like "we" without describing what "we" is- Your implication is that it's "the PUP community" but you'd be naive to think and assume that every PUP wants or needs Asuran Fists.

We've done just fine without it in the several years PUP has been implemented. I don't see why we need it now.

[Mizuharu]

When I say we, I mean the puppetmaster community that would like this weapon skill. And isn't Savage Blade for COR just so they can say they have it? Yes, they should spend their time fixing the AI system, but this wouldn't take even a fraction of that time to do. And so far your only compelling argument is that the time should be spent on the AI system; which, again, this would only take a fraction of that time...

[Alhanelem]

I mean the puppetmaster community that would like this weapon skill.

Except you do not represent The Puppetmaster Community, as I am a part of that and disagree with you. As do other people. You cannot assume that just because you think something that everyone else does.

And so far your only compelling argument is that the time should be spent on the AI system; which, again, this would only take a fraction of that time...

I've listed many compelling arguments. One example of things they could do instead is probably the least compelling of all of them.

I don't see what's not compelling about the simple fact that we haven't needed it for the last several years, we don't need it now, we have better stuff, there's just no reason to add it over adding anything else you could ever conceive adding. It's just not useful once you have stringing pummel, and no PUP should ever be without stringing pummel.

If we don't need something, why add it? The only real reason I keep seeing is essnetially "just because."

[Xanaduu]

what about newer pups or pple that dont have the time for nyzul that cant get SP let alone VS? it would help them and lets face it, SE has done alot of dumb stuff that never made sense in the past... why would they stop now? XD
also, adding pup to the wsnm would be easier than doing the AI fix that they seem to be avoiding like the plague and would probably be used as a "this should keep em quiet for another week" ploy >.> could totally see that happening

[Lazus]

what about newer pups or pple that dont have the time for nyzul that cant get SP let alone VS? it would help them and lets face it, SE has done alot of dumb stuff that never made sense in the past... why would they stop now? XD
also, adding pup to the wsnm would be easier than doing the AI fix that they seem to be avoiding like the plague and would probably be used as a "this should keep em quiet for another week" ploy >.> could totally see that happening

True, I have SP and love it, but not all pup have it and they can't solo it or depending on servers may not be able to get people for it. Beside AF is at least a blue trigger which does have a use if you want certain drops. And SE is clearly bent on not fixing the AI, they just missed another chance with the lat major update. (Anyone notice all the topic Alhanelem seem t be in he arguing about something ad usually telling everyone that they are wrong? wondering if it just me)

[Ahtos]

Almost everyone acting like the SP is hard to get like a relic weapon. If you don´t have @ least 2 friends (or a LS) @ the point you hit lvl 75 than you should leave the game immediately. If not even 2 ppl from your LS wanna help you, look for another one cuz you got one with some selfish morons.
Nyzul Isle isn´t a event like the old dynamis where you need a couple of hours and alot ppl to finish it, you don´t even need 30min (30min is the max anyways) and only 2 other ppl.
The "i can't get help with nyzul isle" argument is a poor exuse for ppl who are too lazy to ask other ppl for help.

what about newer pups or pple that dont have the time for nyzul that cant get SP let alone VS?

If those ppl don´t even have time for nyzul isle then how they can lvl there jobs in the first place ? 30min in nyzul isle is nothing compared to the other stuff in ffxi.

Take away a MNK only thing? It's not like we're asking for Black Belt/Counter/Higher Guard/Boost/anything like that. We're asking for access to a WS for our main weapon. Just like how every other job has one they can quest for. Didn't COR take the "big RNG-only WS" detonator from RNG? You'd say no because their main combat skill is Marksmenship and they met the skill level by 75. Just like we can since the combat rating upgrade.

Because its only a WS it isn´t important like the other MNK-only stuff ? If its not such important why you want it so badly and how many Detonator spamming RNG do you saw b4 COR ? You can´t really compare those or other quested WS with MNK and PUP.
BTW the funny thing is you don´t really lvled your MNK but you wanna talk about things you never did b4. You never got AF for your MNK, no wonder why (next funny thing cuz its crap for PUP) you want it for PUP.

[Dfoley]

SP (nyzul) isnt hard. I started late and only recently did nyzul. Yes it took the better part of 5 weeks to finish just doing 20 floors every Sunday, but with a static 3 man group and picking up a random 2 each week it was no issue at all.

If you can't do nyzul, then I dont know what to tell you, because 2 hrs once a week is about as casual as you can get.

The rest of this thread is pointless though, PUP dont need Asuran Fists, not for damage, and not for blue procs (which are a tiny part of the game that will slowly be phased out).

That being said, ill /sign the petition to NOT get it.

5 minutes of coding time spent on giving us a useless ws is 5 minutes farther away from a better ai.

[Mizuharu]

BTW the funny thing is you don´t really lvled your MNK but you wanna talk about things you never did b4. You never got AF for your MNK, no wonder why (next funny thing cuz its crap for PUP) you want it for PUP.

I play another account for someone when she isn't able to get on. MNK90. You -really- shouldn't go by FFXIAH just to see if someone knows what they're doing half the time.

Why, just looking on yours (I'm assuming it's Ahtos on Raganrok Server; another reason not to go by the website. Not sure who's who. though, in my case, all three of the Mizuharus that show up are me.) it says you're level 90 on everything. Impressive... If, you know, it wasn't so easy to burn a job up to 90. Then again, I shouldn't go by that since idk if you actually do play all those jobs and have them all geared properly. I see merits, but those are just as easy to get now a days.

Except you do not represent The Puppetmaster Community, as I am a part of that and disagree with you. As do other people. You cannot assume that just because you think something that everyone else does.

Again, I'm talking as a PUP part of the community that would like the WS. Just as you don't speak for everyone saying they don't want the WS because, looking through here, there are quite a few posters that do want it. But this will most likely be ignored by the developers just like the AI thread. See? Neither of us are most likely going to get what we'd like~ All's fair in the end.

[Lazus]

5 minutes of coding time spent on giving us a useless ws is 5 minutes farther away from a better ai.

Which they have showed no interest in doing anyway.