Puppetmaster's Asuran Fists <Where?>

[Dfoley]

Outside of abyssea:
AF is better then ascetics fury, so for the 90% of monks without VS, AF is the go to ws of choice.
SP>AF outside of abyssea, and face smashes it inside.

That is the real reason pup dont have it and probably never will. It has nothing to do with blu procs, or being useful low man. Its the fact that monk, as one of the main DD in game, rely on AF for their big dd ws outside of abyssea where the game is planed to go.

If you want AF, do what every other self respecting pup did... level monk, it shares so many of the same merits it be stupid not to. Then you can have AF, and 14/15 blue procs.

[Elvyn]

The question is, why do you want AF for blue proc !! ? I only see i want, i want.... but no real resaon why.

Because you think everyone and there mother will invite you now cuz you have AF ? NO
Because you can proc all blue H2H !! ? Yes, cuz its only a small chance for AF, also NO
Because MNK got it and you QQ about it ? LOL

Idk if you guys playing on a private server but normaly there is always someone in the PT who can do blue !! Smart ppl going during blunt time and that means hello MNK not PUP! (not because we don´t have AF!!!)
Maybe you only lvled PUP but (and this is unbelieveable) there are ppl out there who lvled more than one job. I really wanna see the person who invite a PUP over a MNK for a blue !!. It's either a noob or a moron. (Yes i know PUP don´t get an invite cuz we don´t have AF lol)

So.... so many things wrong with this.... ill put them in numerical order for you...

1) All you see is I want I want? Well hell yea, this is a game we PAY to play... so forgive me if I put forward what I want from a game.

2) Why would everyone and there mothers invite you? Surely there mothers should be in the same pty to avoid conflict!?

3) Blue procs??? Yea that would be kewl on the off hand but... refer to "1)"

4) When did this all become about procs? Simple it didn't (but 90% of your answer seems to reference it)

So to put an end to this "QQin" we don't need a reason to have AF, its been long overdue since pup got the H2H update and I'm sorry I don't/can't get VS or SP but dose that mean as a pup I have to fall back on WS like TC and DC that mainly factor in MNKS footwork and kick attacks ability?

Another little thought for you before I go..... Why did COR get Ev, Why dose BST have SH? None of these jobs are first choice to proc blu but they have them, at some point these WS where made available for them.... so whats the HARM (see I canz bold to ;3 )
in giving pup 1 more WS... we dont want a new flashy one with new aminations... we just want... AF!

[Xanaduu]

still funny to me that pple use the argument that pup shouldnt get AF cause it was MNKs main big dmg ws, but its still a WSNM WS, its like saying cor shouldnt have access to detonator cause we get leaden salute and wild fire @.@ makes no sense to me.
mnk will still make AF better than a pup so i see no harm in giving it to pup just to give it to pup "why bother?" why not? :P

[Lazus]

I see both side of the argument, but think i'm more on the side that AF should be given to pup. Like other said hand to hand is pup main and pup doesn't have a wsnm as is, also mnk will do better dmg on AF just because they get excess to way more dd gear then pup can even dream of.

[Alhanelem]

Giving it to PUP takes a MNK only thing away from MNK.
PUP doesn't need the WS, either for best damage or for skillchain purposes. PUP's own quested WS is better, as is Victory Smite.
There's no good reason to give it to PUP, and MNKs can keep it.

I'm a PUP and I don't want it, and I'm sure no MNK wants their big MNK-only WS to not be MNK only anymore.

No matter how much or how little time investment it would take to make the change, the dev team has better things they can do than to give PUP a WS that most PUP would rarely ever use if at all.

[Mizuharu]

Giving it to PUP takes a MNK only thing away from MNK.
PUP doesn't need the WS, either for best damage or for skillchain purposes. PUP's own quested WS is better, as is Victory Smite.
There's no good reason to give it to PUP, and MNKs can keep it.

I'm a PUP and I don't want it, and I'm sure no MNK wants their big MNK-only WS to not be MNK only anymore.

Take away a MNK only thing? It's not like we're asking for Black Belt/Counter/Higher Guard/Boost/anything like that. We're asking for access to a WS for our main weapon. Just like how every other job has one they can quest for. Didn't COR take the "big RNG-only WS" detonator from RNG? You'd say no because their main combat skill is Marksmenship and they met the skill level by 75. Just like we can since the combat rating upgrade.

There is no good reason to give it to PUP? Is there a bad reason besides your "MNK-only WS" argument? Or that you yourself don't want it?

[Alhanelem]

We're asking for access to a WS for our main weapon

"we," or more accurately you, are just asking for something we don't need. Fix the WHMa uto's behavior. Give PUP something new. Don't waste development time on changing quest for PUPs to do it and changing the items and WS for pup to use them. We don't need it, and that's all there is to it. It would change nothing and not really benefit anyone.

[Mizuharu]

Fix the WHMa uto's behavior. Give PUP something new. Don't waste development time on changing quest for PUPs to do it and changing the items and WS for pup to use them. We don't need it, and that's all there is to it. It would change nothing and not really benefit anyone.

I think doing the coding for the Asuran Fists quest would take the same, if not less, time than the WHM AI; which if you aren't use to it by now, then damn. And you aren't reading the other posts of other PUPs agreeing with me or are you reading just what you want to see?

[Alhanelem]

I don't care if it takes 5 minutes or 5 months, the dev team's time is better spent elsewhere from giving us a WS that serves us little purpose other than to say we have it, which is the only compelling argument i've heard so far.

There are people agreeing with me too. Just because someone agrees with you doesn't mean you're right or your opinion is the best one. It irritates me when you throw around words like "we" without describing what "we" is- Your implication is that it's "the PUP community" but you'd be naive to think and assume that every PUP wants or needs Asuran Fists.

We've done just fine without it in the several years PUP has been implemented. I don't see why we need it now.

[Mizuharu]

When I say we, I mean the puppetmaster community that would like this weapon skill. And isn't Savage Blade for COR just so they can say they have it? Yes, they should spend their time fixing the AI system, but this wouldn't take even a fraction of that time to do. And so far your only compelling argument is that the time should be spent on the AI system; which, again, this would only take a fraction of that time...