Puppetmaster's Asuran Fists <Where?>

[Alhanelem]

I want to know why Cannabal blade being exactly like Sanguine blade gives ruby and not amber like Sanguine.

Because cannibal blade is not treated as magic damage and sanguine blade is.

[Dfoley]

Outside of abyssea:
AF is better then ascetics fury, so for the 90% of monks without VS, AF is the go to ws of choice.
SP>AF outside of abyssea, and face smashes it inside.

That is the real reason pup dont have it and probably never will. It has nothing to do with blu procs, or being useful low man. Its the fact that monk, as one of the main DD in game, rely on AF for their big dd ws outside of abyssea where the game is planed to go.

If you want AF, do what every other self respecting pup did... level monk, it shares so many of the same merits it be stupid not to. Then you can have AF, and 14/15 blue procs.

[Mizuharu]

The question is, why do you want AF for blue proc !! ? I only see i want, i want.... but no real resaon why.

Because you think everyone and there mother will invite you now cuz you have AF ? NO
Because you can proc all blue H2H !! ? Yes, cuz its only a small chance for AF, also NO
Because MNK got it and you QQ about it ? LOL

Idk if you guys playing on a private server but normaly there is always someone in the PT who can do blue !! Smart ppl going during blunt time and that means hello MNK not PUP! (not because we don´t have AF!!!)
Maybe you only lvled PUP but (and this is unbelieveable) there are ppl out there who lvled more than one job. I really wanna see the person who invite a PUP over a MNK for a blue !!. It's either a noob or a moron. (Yes i know PUP don´t get an invite cuz we don´t have AF lol)

Will everyone and their mother have me come PUP for farming? No; I mostly BLU or NIN for that for Procs/Tanking. But if we do have those other jobs, I do get to come PUP because mine is a reliable source of DD. So on the off chance we start fighting something and the stagger is H2H and there is no MNK present because we were really just farming KI/Seals but someone would like the equipment from it, then yes. I would like to be able to cover ALL of the Hand-to-Hand staggers due to that being my MAIN COMBAT SKILL.

Becuase I want to proc all blue H2H? Well, seeing as the only other combat skill I get is Dagger which I will beat a PUP down with Lobo if I see someone seriously trying to main Daggers over Hand-to-Hand. (staggering/skilling up just cause we have the combat skill sure, that's cool.)

Because MNK got it and I'm QQing about it? You mean like EVERY OTHER PUP HAS DONE AT SOME POINT prior to Stringing Pummel (and a few after that like myself)

I don't know about your PUP, but mine is actually welcomed at events like Abyssea, Einherjar, Sea/Sky/HNM and is accepted for generally anything. If yours is bad and you can't go PUP to events to help your friends/linkshell mates out with it, then don't assume everyone with PUP will be forced to come something else over that.

[Elvyn]

The question is, why do you want AF for blue proc !! ? I only see i want, i want.... but no real resaon why.

Because you think everyone and there mother will invite you now cuz you have AF ? NO
Because you can proc all blue H2H !! ? Yes, cuz its only a small chance for AF, also NO
Because MNK got it and you QQ about it ? LOL

Idk if you guys playing on a private server but normaly there is always someone in the PT who can do blue !! Smart ppl going during blunt time and that means hello MNK not PUP! (not because we don´t have AF!!!)
Maybe you only lvled PUP but (and this is unbelieveable) there are ppl out there who lvled more than one job. I really wanna see the person who invite a PUP over a MNK for a blue !!. It's either a noob or a moron. (Yes i know PUP don´t get an invite cuz we don´t have AF lol)

So.... so many things wrong with this.... ill put them in numerical order for you...

1) All you see is I want I want? Well hell yea, this is a game we PAY to play... so forgive me if I put forward what I want from a game.

2) Why would everyone and there mothers invite you? Surely there mothers should be in the same pty to avoid conflict!?

3) Blue procs??? Yea that would be kewl on the off hand but... refer to "1)"

4) When did this all become about procs? Simple it didn't (but 90% of your answer seems to reference it)

So to put an end to this "QQin" we don't need a reason to have AF, its been long overdue since pup got the H2H update and I'm sorry I don't/can't get VS or SP but dose that mean as a pup I have to fall back on WS like TC and DC that mainly factor in MNKS footwork and kick attacks ability?

Another little thought for you before I go..... Why did COR get Ev, Why dose BST have SH? None of these jobs are first choice to proc blu but they have them, at some point these WS where made available for them.... so whats the HARM (see I canz bold to ;3 )
in giving pup 1 more WS... we dont want a new flashy one with new aminations... we just want... AF!

[Jar]

your ninja edit kinda borked my response...

internet rule 14 man just give up on that guy

he will never change his mind its like arguing with a woman.

[Xanaduu]

still funny to me that pple use the argument that pup shouldnt get AF cause it was MNKs main big dmg ws, but its still a WSNM WS, its like saying cor shouldnt have access to detonator cause we get leaden salute and wild fire @.@ makes no sense to me.
mnk will still make AF better than a pup so i see no harm in giving it to pup just to give it to pup "why bother?" why not? :P

[Lazus]

I see both side of the argument, but think i'm more on the side that AF should be given to pup. Like other said hand to hand is pup main and pup doesn't have a wsnm as is, also mnk will do better dmg on AF just because they get excess to way more dd gear then pup can even dream of.

[Alhanelem]

Giving it to PUP takes a MNK only thing away from MNK.
PUP doesn't need the WS, either for best damage or for skillchain purposes. PUP's own quested WS is better, as is Victory Smite.
There's no good reason to give it to PUP, and MNKs can keep it.

I'm a PUP and I don't want it, and I'm sure no MNK wants their big MNK-only WS to not be MNK only anymore.

No matter how much or how little time investment it would take to make the change, the dev team has better things they can do than to give PUP a WS that most PUP would rarely ever use if at all.

[Mizuharu]

Giving it to PUP takes a MNK only thing away from MNK.
PUP doesn't need the WS, either for best damage or for skillchain purposes. PUP's own quested WS is better, as is Victory Smite.
There's no good reason to give it to PUP, and MNKs can keep it.

I'm a PUP and I don't want it, and I'm sure no MNK wants their big MNK-only WS to not be MNK only anymore.

Take away a MNK only thing? It's not like we're asking for Black Belt/Counter/Higher Guard/Boost/anything like that. We're asking for access to a WS for our main weapon. Just like how every other job has one they can quest for. Didn't COR take the "big RNG-only WS" detonator from RNG? You'd say no because their main combat skill is Marksmenship and they met the skill level by 75. Just like we can since the combat rating upgrade.

There is no good reason to give it to PUP? Is there a bad reason besides your "MNK-only WS" argument? Or that you yourself don't want it?

[Alhanelem]

We're asking for access to a WS for our main weapon

"we," or more accurately you, are just asking for something we don't need. Fix the WHMa uto's behavior. Give PUP something new. Don't waste development time on changing quest for PUPs to do it and changing the items and WS for pup to use them. We don't need it, and that's all there is to it. It would change nothing and not really benefit anyone.