Puppetmaster's Asuran Fists <Where?>

[Alhanelem]

Also you can accumulate WS points between nyzul runs, and keep climbing in the meantime. The point requirement will be reduced for every floor you gain (even if it's not a full set of 5, as long as you exit before the time is up it counts) and when the point requirement meets up with the points you've earned, you're done.

[Mizuharu]

Okay, yes Nyzul can be very easy to climb for Stringing Pummel. Yes, you could solo the coins for Victory Smite. But, again, every other job gets a WSNM except PUP. Because they all met the skill level by 75. After the update, we met the required skill level at 75. That's the only other reason other jobs got their WSNMs.

But then you'll argue about the lore behind the WS when the other jobs ignore the story behind their WSNMs. Or the fact PUP can't wear the weapon-type Hand-to-Hand that the Knuckles of Trials are, though there have been exceptions for PUP on H2H weapons and other jobs on other weapons (Ex: DNC using Dagger of Trials when they normally can't wear regular daggers.) So I'm just mentioning those here to save you all the trouble.

[Jar]

Okay, yes Nyzul can be very easy to climb for Stringing Pummel. Yes, you could solo the coins for Victory Smite. But, again, every other job gets a WSNM except PUP. Because they all met the skill level by 75. After the update, we met the required skill level at 75. That's the only other reason other jobs got their WSNMs.

But then you'll argue about the lore behind the WS when the other jobs ignore the story behind their WSNMs. Or the fact PUP can't wear the weapon-type Hand-to-Hand that the Knuckles of Trials are, though there have been exceptions for PUP on H2H weapons and other jobs on other weapons (Ex: DNC using Dagger of Trials when they normally can't wear regular daggers.) So I'm just mentioning those here to save you all the trouble.

Pup can use Eviseration!(sp) but cant unless /jobthat canWSNM it

[Mizuharu]

Pup can use Eviseration!(sp) but cant unless /jobthat canWSNM it

Evisceration is only available to Thieves, Corsairs, Red Mages, Warriors, Bards, Rangers, Beastmasters, Dancers and Ninjas. While other jobs can obtain the required 230 Dagger skill, they will be unable to use Evisceration.
(taken from http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/wiki/Evisceration)

It's not like Energy Drain...

Energy Drain is only natively available to Thieves, Red Mages, Bards, Rangers, Dancers, and Ninjas. While other jobs can obtain the required 175 Dagger skill, they must use one of the aforementioned jobs as their support job in order to gain access to Energy Drain.

(taken from http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/wiki/Energy_Drain

[Jar]

Evisceration is only available to Thieves, Corsairs, Red Mages, Warriors, Bards, Rangers, Beastmasters, Dancers and Ninjas. While other jobs can obtain the required 230 Dagger skill, they will be unable to use Evisceration.
(taken from http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/wiki/Evisceration)

It's not like Energy Drain...

Energy Drain is only natively available to Thieves, Red Mages, Bards, Rangers, Dancers, and Ninjas. While other jobs can obtain the required 175 Dagger skill, they must use one of the aforementioned jobs as their support job in order to gain access to Energy Drain.

(taken from http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/wiki/Energy_Drain

Hmm i swear it was in the list last time a proced with cyclone.. meh.. dont even have a dagger to check atm..

[Alhanelem]

(Ex: DNC using Dagger of Trials when they normally can't wear regular daggers.)

Umm... what? Since when could dancer not use "regular daggers?" As opposed to what kind of daggers? DNC can use the vast majority of daggers that aren't a mage dagger or a few that are THF only. But many daggers, especially harpes.,are THF/DNC.

[Xanaduu]

i believe they meant dnc cant use baselard type daggers save for magian now and oh... look at that >.> the eviseration dagger. i just looked up every baselard type dagger and its only those 2 exeptions, well and the fake mandau, point is i guess... y add dnc to WSNM dagger when a baselard is not thier useable weapon type and not for pup? >.> seems like they added dnc to it easy enough... easy to do for pup 2 @.@. that is 1 of the main reasons pple dont understand y pup doesnt have it yet. so if we get it we get it... if we dont... i think pple will live... some1 lock this thread now plz^^ *looks for asprin*

[Yoky]

btw: I have capped dagger and no you cant use eviseration. so your arguement fails. I dunno why you even want Asuran Fists beside the fact that you can do a backflip. SP is a stronger WS.

[Mizuharu]

btw: I have capped dagger and no you cant use eviseration. so your arguement fails. I dunno why you even want Asuran Fists beside the fact that you can do a backflip. SP is a stronger WS.

Who are you talking to? The guy that tried to side with you about PUP not getting Asuran Fists by saying Evisceration was PUP accessable? Or me who corrected him, but you took it as me saying we get Evisceration and tried to make it a failed argument? He was mistaken; not a fail.

Why would a BST want Spiral Hell? They main axes. Why would a BRD want Evisceration? They never melee by the level they can get it. Why would a RNG want Decimation? Their main damage is always from ranged attacks. Save for some newer players, everyone has done all the WSNMs for their jobs since Abyssea came out and blue staggering was installed; if not before because they could. That's the only reason.

Why should we get Asuran Fists? Why shouldn't we? You say it sucks and that Stringing Pummel is better; which it is. It's vastly better. But then, why should BST get Spiral Hell? Rampage/Primal Rend will always top it. RNGs will always stay out of melee range by the time they can learn Evisceration/Decimation. You ever see a PLD tank with a Great Sword rather than a shield/sword? (Actually, scratch that last one. There's always going to be one of those PLDs leveling up thinking Great Sword will be better because it hits harder...) Any mage job meleeing on anything that requires a group effort? Hell, even solo a BLM or SCH is going to depend on nukes over melee damage. RDM I'm not going to say can't melee because they were originally made to be melee/mage hybrid. They can effectively solo most things with the right subjob, gear, and knowing when it's okay to melee or to focus on magic.

And that lore bit is crap since none of the other WSNMs actually stick to their lore if other jobs were added onto them. (Ex: Brutus is an ExBeastmaster. He starts the Decimation WSNM quest; which BST can use, yes. Along with DRK/WAR/RNG. RNG I can see being -kinda- like BST because of the lore for that job, but DRK and WAR? lol. Only reason they're on that? They got the skill level for the weapon by 75.)

[Alhanelem]

everyone has done all the WSNMs for their jobs since Abyssea came out and blue staggering was installed

Not really, unless you're a quest completionist junkie, no one wants to waste time earning WS points for a WS they won't ever use.