On Red Mage melee...

[ManaKing]

Hey, I'm not going to undermine LS events and LS goals for some halfwit who doesn't know when to put away their sword or club and get down to business. This is doubly true in somewhat-lowman to actually-lowman settings.

Most reasonable RDMs and WHMs know when it is and isn't appropriate to melee.

I'm glad your LS events are more important than my class getting a fair share of the fun of this game.

Please just keep using us for what is useful to you. We certainly didn't want to enjoy this game too.

[Eeek]

I'm glad your LS events are more important than my class getting a fair share of the fun of this game.

Please just keep using us for what is useful to you. We certainly didn't want to enjoy this game too.

You're free to do what you want solo or with your friends.

Also, your 'I'm going to do only what's fun without regard to anyone else!' attitude won't fly in the real world.

EDIT: You gotta face facts at some point: RDM is a strong mage but truly terrible melee DD. Only SCH and BLM are worse at meleeing. It could be worse though - RDM could be in the same boat of relative uselessness as SCH.

[ManaKing]

You're free to do what you want solo or with your friends.

Also, your 'I'm going to do only what's fun without regard to anyone else!' attitude won't fly in the real world.

EDIT: You gotta face facts at some point: RDM is a strong mage but truly terrible melee DD. Only SCH and BLM are worse at meleeing. It could be worse though - RDM could be in the same boat of relative uselessness as SCH.

You're right, it won't fly in the real world. BUT it will fly in a fantasy world that is designed to be fun to play. I'm not sure if you are aware of this but FFXI isn't the real world.

SCH can support a full alliance easier than a RDM. As a mage, they actually are desirable and their job was designed to be a pure caster. Why are you comparing 2 things that aren't the same?

[Eeek]

You're right, it won't fly in the real world. BUT it will fly in a fantasy world that is designed to be fun to play. I'm not sure if you are aware of this but FFXI isn't the real world.

SCH can support a full alliance easier than a RDM. As a mage, they actually are desirable and their job was designed to be a pure caster. Why are you comparing 2 things that aren't the same?

Nothing about SCH makes it more desirable than WHM, RDM, or BLM. Its only use is to fill a gap in the back line when a more useful mage job is not available. And no one invites SCH except as a last resort. They're no longer the best healer, nuker, or enfeebler. They're second-tier across the board with most their AoE tricks available via subjob.

"I'm not sure if you are aware of this but FFXI isn't the real world."

Your melee RDM is about as useful to me as a screwdriver in the real world when I need to change a tire. Wrong tool for the task.

[ManaKing]

Nothing about SCH makes it more desirable than WHM, RDM, or BLM. Its only use is to fill a gap in the back line when a more useful mage job is not available. And no one invites SCH except as a last resort. They're no longer the best healer, nuker, or enfeebler. They're second-tier across the board with most their AoE tricks available via subjob.

"I'm not sure if you are aware of this but FFXI isn't the real world."

Your melee RDM is about as useful to me as a screwdriver in the real world when I need to change a tire. Wrong tool for the task.

Sorry you don't know how useful strategems are? Tier V nukes are still Tier V nukes. I guess you just don't value classes that aren't the best at something so that you can fit it into your minimalist LS designs.

Once again, not the real would, your analogy is crap. Please realize you are playing a game and that people play them to have fun, not do what you think they should. Your mentality is unattractive at best.

[Eeek]

Sorry you don't know how useful strategems are? Tier V nukes are still Tier V nukes. I guess you just don't value classes that aren't the best at something so that you can fit it into your minimalist LS designs.

Once again, not the real would, your analogy is crap. Please realize you are playing a game and that people play them to have fun, not do what you think they should. Your mentality is unattractive at best.

Oh please. You're no more capable of understanding the workings of a simplistic, fantasy world than the drastically more complicated real world. You know why? You're incapable of rational, logical thought. All it takes to understand the futility of melee RDM is a grasp of basic algebra.

Also, I'm sorry you don't understand what makes BLM significantly more useful than SCH these days. Tier5 nukes and strategems make SCH useful? Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Also, it's nice of you conveniently ignore, repeatedly, my stance that people should, and I quote, "you're free to do what you want solo or with your friends." If you want to melee all the time, knock yourself out. Have fun!

But be aware that lots of people like me exist who won't tolerate such foolishness in a goal-oriented, group setting, and I love it when people give me a good, rational reason to kick them from my party, alliance, or linkshell. For example, I don't care what you do on your own time solo or with friends, but you're not going to melee Proto-Ultima or Briareus.

Wanna know what I find unattractive? Overly-emotional and dimwitted people who rant without thinking. Your mentality is flimsy and transparent to everyone with a critical eye.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Oh please. You're no more capable of understanding the workings of a simplistic, fantasy world than the drastically more complicated real world. You know why? You're incapable of rational, logical thought. All it takes to understand the futility of melee RDM is a grasp of basic algebra.

Also, I'm sorry you don't understand what makes BLM significantly more useful than SCH these days. Tier5 nukes and strategems make SCH useful? Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Also, it's nice of you conveniently ignore, repeatedly, my stance that people should, and I quote, "you're free to do what you want solo or with your friends." If you want to melee all the time, knock yourself out. Have fun!

But be aware that lots of people like me exist who won't tolerate such foolishness in a goal-oriented, group setting, and I love it when people give me a good, rational reason to kick them from my party, alliance, or linkshell. For example, I don't care what you do on your own time solo or with friends, but you're not going to melee Proto-Ultima or Briareus.

Wanna know what I find unattractive? Overly-emotional and dimwitted people who rant without thinking. Your mentality is flimsy and transparent to everyone with a critical eye.

Do you feel good now?

2 points...

1. SCH is still superior in DMG then BLM unless their EA kicks in.
2. Ha, like Proto-Ultima is hard... LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[Doombringer]

Oh please. You're no more capable of understanding the workings of a simplistic, fantasy world than the drastically more complicated real world. You know why? You're incapable of rational, logical thought. All it takes to understand the futility of melee RDM is a grasp of basic algebra.

Also, I'm sorry you don't understand what makes BLM significantly more useful than SCH these days. Tier5 nukes and strategems make SCH useful? Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Also, it's nice of you conveniently ignore, repeatedly, my stance that people should, and I quote, "you're free to do what you want solo or with your friends." If you want to melee all the time, knock yourself out. Have fun!

But be aware that lots of people like me exist who won't tolerate such foolishness in a goal-oriented, group setting, and I love it when people give me a good, rational reason to kick them from my party, alliance, or linkshell. For example, I don't care what you do on your own time solo or with friends, but you're not going to melee Proto-Ultima or Briareus.

Wanna know what I find unattractive? Overly-emotional and dimwitted people who rant without thinking. Your mentality is flimsy and transparent to everyone with a critical eye.

you realize we're here talking about how to FIX rdm, right? not here talking about what rdm should be doing RIGHT now....

we're not talking about meleeing.. as is.. we're talking about what se should do to MAKE it viable..

so.. you can go have your conversation somewhere else.. atm you're just trolling this thread with the same "rdm no meree" bs everybody has heard before.

[Duelle]

Also, it's nice of you conveniently ignore, repeatedly, my stance that people should, and I quote, you're free to do what you want solo or with your friends." If you want to melee all the time, knock yourself out. Have fun!

Solo is meaningless in a game built from the ground up on partying. Try again.

PS: Better yet, go away and stop trolling our Red Mage melee discussion.

[Seyrena]

Hurp derp derp durp derp derp derp derp derp etc, shortened to take up less space, derp derp no fun allowed in srs bizness groups, derp derp hurp derp.

Aww. Looks like someone with a differing opinion struck a nerve.

Here's a mentality that's not so flimsy or transparent: At this point, I'm willing to venture that you're missing the point of this thread entirely. We don't grasp the futility of Red Mage melee? That futility is precisely why this thread exists. Red Mage has come to be expected to perform a role that we didn't envision when we chose it all those years ago, before the level cap raises, before Abyssea, etc. The point of this thread, as has been said previously, is not about whining that people think we're just another back-line, thumb-twiddling mage job, it's about fixing it so we're not.

I want to say you're trolling, but I can't help but laugh even harder when I realize you actually believe what you're saying. You go have your fun.

I'll go have mine.