On Red Mage melee...

[Eeek]

Sorry you don't know how useful strategems are? Tier V nukes are still Tier V nukes. I guess you just don't value classes that aren't the best at something so that you can fit it into your minimalist LS designs.

Once again, not the real would, your analogy is crap. Please realize you are playing a game and that people play them to have fun, not do what you think they should. Your mentality is unattractive at best.

Oh please. You're no more capable of understanding the workings of a simplistic, fantasy world than the drastically more complicated real world. You know why? You're incapable of rational, logical thought. All it takes to understand the futility of melee RDM is a grasp of basic algebra.

Also, I'm sorry you don't understand what makes BLM significantly more useful than SCH these days. Tier5 nukes and strategems make SCH useful? Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Also, it's nice of you conveniently ignore, repeatedly, my stance that people should, and I quote, "you're free to do what you want solo or with your friends." If you want to melee all the time, knock yourself out. Have fun!

But be aware that lots of people like me exist who won't tolerate such foolishness in a goal-oriented, group setting, and I love it when people give me a good, rational reason to kick them from my party, alliance, or linkshell. For example, I don't care what you do on your own time solo or with friends, but you're not going to melee Proto-Ultima or Briareus.

Wanna know what I find unattractive? Overly-emotional and dimwitted people who rant without thinking. Your mentality is flimsy and transparent to everyone with a critical eye.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Oh please. You're no more capable of understanding the workings of a simplistic, fantasy world than the drastically more complicated real world. You know why? You're incapable of rational, logical thought. All it takes to understand the futility of melee RDM is a grasp of basic algebra.

Also, I'm sorry you don't understand what makes BLM significantly more useful than SCH these days. Tier5 nukes and strategems make SCH useful? Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Also, it's nice of you conveniently ignore, repeatedly, my stance that people should, and I quote, "you're free to do what you want solo or with your friends." If you want to melee all the time, knock yourself out. Have fun!

But be aware that lots of people like me exist who won't tolerate such foolishness in a goal-oriented, group setting, and I love it when people give me a good, rational reason to kick them from my party, alliance, or linkshell. For example, I don't care what you do on your own time solo or with friends, but you're not going to melee Proto-Ultima or Briareus.

Wanna know what I find unattractive? Overly-emotional and dimwitted people who rant without thinking. Your mentality is flimsy and transparent to everyone with a critical eye.

Do you feel good now?

2 points...

1. SCH is still superior in DMG then BLM unless their EA kicks in.
2. Ha, like Proto-Ultima is hard... LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[Doombringer]

Oh please. You're no more capable of understanding the workings of a simplistic, fantasy world than the drastically more complicated real world. You know why? You're incapable of rational, logical thought. All it takes to understand the futility of melee RDM is a grasp of basic algebra.

Also, I'm sorry you don't understand what makes BLM significantly more useful than SCH these days. Tier5 nukes and strategems make SCH useful? Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Also, it's nice of you conveniently ignore, repeatedly, my stance that people should, and I quote, "you're free to do what you want solo or with your friends." If you want to melee all the time, knock yourself out. Have fun!

But be aware that lots of people like me exist who won't tolerate such foolishness in a goal-oriented, group setting, and I love it when people give me a good, rational reason to kick them from my party, alliance, or linkshell. For example, I don't care what you do on your own time solo or with friends, but you're not going to melee Proto-Ultima or Briareus.

Wanna know what I find unattractive? Overly-emotional and dimwitted people who rant without thinking. Your mentality is flimsy and transparent to everyone with a critical eye.

you realize we're here talking about how to FIX rdm, right? not here talking about what rdm should be doing RIGHT now....

we're not talking about meleeing.. as is.. we're talking about what se should do to MAKE it viable..

so.. you can go have your conversation somewhere else.. atm you're just trolling this thread with the same "rdm no meree" bs everybody has heard before.

[Duelle]

Also, it's nice of you conveniently ignore, repeatedly, my stance that people should, and I quote, you're free to do what you want solo or with your friends." If you want to melee all the time, knock yourself out. Have fun!

Solo is meaningless in a game built from the ground up on partying. Try again.

PS: Better yet, go away and stop trolling our Red Mage melee discussion.

[Seyrena]

Hurp derp derp durp derp derp derp derp derp etc, shortened to take up less space, derp derp no fun allowed in srs bizness groups, derp derp hurp derp.

Aww. Looks like someone with a differing opinion struck a nerve.

Here's a mentality that's not so flimsy or transparent: At this point, I'm willing to venture that you're missing the point of this thread entirely. We don't grasp the futility of Red Mage melee? That futility is precisely why this thread exists. Red Mage has come to be expected to perform a role that we didn't envision when we chose it all those years ago, before the level cap raises, before Abyssea, etc. The point of this thread, as has been said previously, is not about whining that people think we're just another back-line, thumb-twiddling mage job, it's about fixing it so we're not.

I want to say you're trolling, but I can't help but laugh even harder when I realize you actually believe what you're saying. You go have your fun.

I'll go have mine.

[Duzell]

Calmanic Trousers were definatly a step in the right direction for rdm melee gear (even if they are ugly in my opinion), if we can get good gear like that for all our armor slots it would move up rdm melee along way. And maybe enspell III that functions like enlight and endark where you start at high damage and it degrades that also works on offhand hits. As it is unless your offhanding a weapon with a very benifical effect like Sagasinger its better to use teir 1 enspells than T2.

[ManaKing]

Calmanic Trousers were definatly a step in the right direction for rdm melee gear (even if they are ugly in my opinion), if we can get good gear like that for all our armor slots it would move up rdm melee along way. And maybe enspell III that functions like enlight and endark where you start at high damage and it degrades that also works on offhand hits. As it is unless your offhanding a weapon with a very benifical effect like Sagasinger its better to use teir 1 enspells than T2.

Yeah i wish there weren't super expensive, but they are. Oh well, back to farming. I could get a group together for them; but honestly, who is going to give them to a RDM over taking them to the AH? We aren't near the top of the list, so obviously we don't deserve them.

Also, thank you everyone for realizing what this thread is actually about and being an actual RDM. It's nice not to have to defend myself against every troll that doesn't realize this is about what we would like to happen as opposed to what is the current state of the game. I'm pretty sure we are all very painfully aware of how bad RDM melee is compared to other jobs.

[Doombringer]

could always do your orb your drop. at that point it's none of there business if you're gonna sell it or wear it.

supposedly the droprate is pretty high.

[Supersun]

And maybe enspell III that functions like enlight and endark where you start at high damage and it degrades that also works on offhand hits.

The only issue with that is Rdm would probably degrade the damage in under 1-2 mins with our dual wielding with OaTs giving us another spell we have to now spam and completely defeating the point of composure.

[Doombringer]

i dunno why they can't just get rid of the restrictions on enspell2.. remove the charge-up time, let it proc on all swings, and make it calculate dmg like enspell1. whats the problem? will kraken club suddenly be worth half what people pay for it to an rdm? oh no?!?