Sooo. EXP Parties

It would appear exp parties of groups of 6 or more fighting mobs +5 levels above them is the most efficient way to level up right now.

Find a good camp with mobs +5 levels up that has a lot of mobs with quick spawns. Have a ranged puller or 2 run out and get a mob, bring it back, tank it, go get the next one, bring it back tank them both, etc etc etc. Crazy chains, 800+ exp per mob per person in the group. I've heard of people at level 30 getting to level 35 in 2 hours doing this.

How about Some LFG features in the game so we can find people looking for EXP Parties.

Would love that and there is a search function. Good luck pulling people away from FATES though. I'm game on Cactuar to do so!

You know, I think it's a pretty good idea ! A good alternative to FATE farming.

Honestly, if they could up the XP rate of Levequests and lower level Dungeons, then it would be possible to switch between all of these activites to level up !

Still extremely boring, the enemies pose no threat and require no strategy or teamwork, just spam your DPS rotation on them and randomly cure people. No dispel, no stun, no buffing players, no skill chains, no MB, no scary TP moves. They have at most 1, sometimes 2 special attacks you need to look our for and barely do anything to be scared of.

We need bosses to grind on with multiple attacks, we basically grinded on bosses 1-75 in FFXI. Why was every normal enemy in FFXI a boss but normal enemies in this are just autoattack + 1-2 random abilities that barely do anything?

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

Still extremely boring, the enemies pose no threat and require no strategy or teamwork, just spam your DPS rotation on them and randomly cure people. No dispel, no stun, no buffing players, no skill chains, no MB, no scary TP moves. They have at most 1, sometimes 2 special attacks you need to look our for and barely do anything to be scared of.

We need bosses to grind on with multiple attacks, we basically grinded on bosses 1-75 in FFXI. Why was every normal enemy in FFXI a boss but normal enemies in this are just autoattack + 1-2 random abilities that barely do anything?

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Do you expect open world mobs to be a threat? Grinding mobs to get levels shouldn't have any fancy work. Even FFXI wasn't like that, it just had a slow combat system, mobs with alot of health, and if you got after IT's they can hit hard.

Grinding shouldn't be this fancy work that requires tactics. Leave that for bosses.

I remember quite a few suprises in FFXI in exp parties. Like sickleslash on spiders in quicksand caves, thousands needles on cactuars, bombs on goblin muggers, The Stream attack on pugils, etc, etc. In FFXI you learned pretty quickly what mobs to pull for the exp party and what mobs to ignore.

In fact in the launch of FFXI, mobs chased you forever, they never stopped chasing you. So if you were trying to pull a clipper crab and accidently agroed 4 skeletons and a golbin because they spawned on you (night time in valkurm dunes) you had to zone them to get them to go back. And even then, they would hang out at the zone entrance for like 5 minutes before returning so anyone zoning into the zone just fell over dead from agro. I remember getting stuck in rabao once because someone trained a hundred level 50+ shit to the entrance and anyone going out died and caused the mobs to stay there for 5 minutes again.

I miss those days so much.

It seems these days all people care about is endgame content they can burn out on. I mean really the only way this game will keep people interested is if FFXIV keeps popping out expansions. And I fear it will be like wow, where one expansion kills the previous content, where your super awesome weapon becomes worse than trash quest gear in the new XPac.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

Still extremely boring, the enemies pose no threat and require no strategy or teamwork, just spam your DPS rotation on them and randomly cure people. No dispel, no stun, no buffing players, no skill chains, no MB, no scary TP moves. They have at most 1, sometimes 2 special attacks you need to look our for and barely do anything to be scared of.

We need bosses to grind on with multiple attacks, we basically grinded on bosses 1-75 in FFXI. Why was every normal enemy in FFXI a boss but normal enemies in this are just autoattack + 1-2 random abilities that barely do anything?

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FFXI put a lot of depth to their monsters, they aren't "trash" and die in 5 seconds, they had a few or more skills each, had more then just "i agro w/e is in range" AI and they linked properly with their own kind (not just with w/e was near it). Its sad as hell to see that kind of depth something this new causal generation cant handle, it was so well done and SE was the one of the few if not the only MMO to get so deep with its basic monsters. There was a reason no matter where you went you were fearful of everything and took the time to lean the mobs and their skills and AI...they didnt plaster their levels next to them or abide by this trash rule.

I like grind partys every once in a while, EQOA/FFXI and 1.0 had it, not sure why Yoshi is so anti-group grind...why not more options instead of taking them away?

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Do you expect open world mobs to be a threat? Grinding mobs to get levels shouldn't have any fancy work. Even FFXI wasn't like that, it just had a slow combat system, mobs with alot of health, and if you got after IT's they can hit hard.

Grinding shouldn't be this fancy work that requires tactics. Leave that for bosses.

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then why have them...or levels in general, might as well make a game with just bosses if they seem to useless to you and shouldnt require an ounce of brainwork. Just throw everyone at endgame and only do bosses, im sure the WoW MMO gen crowd would love that.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Do you expect open world mobs to be a threat? Grinding mobs to get levels shouldn't have any fancy work. Even FFXI wasn't like that, it just had a slow combat system, mobs with alot of health, and if you got after IT's they can hit hard.

Grinding shouldn't be this fancy work that requires tactics. Leave that for bosses.

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I don't think it's ok I can mount from one end of BEASTMAN STRONGHOLD to the other at level40 aggroing everything with zero threat. That isn't even scary, where's the danger, where's the adventure?

Trash in dungeons is just that too, trash, so it's not just open world content. The only fun mobs inside a dungeon thus far are the bee's in qarn and the statues, everything else is just tank + spank and no threat. Why can a decade old MMO create normal enemies as powerful as bosses but a current gen one just creates "filler" trash that servers no purpose but to annoy you and slow you down?

We need enemies as powerful as FFXI mobs in the open world that chase you forever and make you scared to aggro them. I'm never in any danger of dying, the only times I've died is when I've jumped off a cliff with aggro in the open world.

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Originally Posted by Zanfire

then why have them...or levels in general, might as well make a game with just bosses if they seem to useless to you and shouldnt require an ounce of brainwork. Just throw everyone at endgame and only do bosses, im sure the WoW MMO gen crowd would love that.

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I actually ask/think all the time "Why do levels exist? Fate grinding is just one tiny step below "gain exp every 5 minutes for being logged into the game". If all the content 1-49 is filler and the game starts at level50, why do levels even exist?

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Originally Posted by Dorfentyme

If you miss those days, that game STILL exists. Stop trying to turn this game into THAT game.

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No it doesn't, game is completely different now. We don't want to play FFXI, we want more options to level or more fun ways to level, because right now leveling in this game by far the most boring part. It won't effect you, or anyone who is against it, if they add boss mobs or outdoor dungeons with non-leashing boss enemies we can grind on in an exp party that's slightly less exp than fates.

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Originally Posted by Zanfire

then why have them...or levels in general, might as well make a game with just bosses if they seem to useless to you and shouldnt require an ounce of brainwork. Just throw everyone at endgame and only do bosses, im sure the WoW MMO gen crowd would love that.

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Well, that's what it seems like anyways, some people want leveling up mobs to be like bosses. I agree though that when you hit like 30-35+, mobs should have moves to worry about. 1-30 should be more about learning your class then worrying about something that can kill you. Learn your class first (1-30), then turn up the heat (31-50+)

Just don't make normal mobs "true bosses" because that defeats the purpose of having mobs to "level up" on.

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Originally Posted by Ryios

I miss those days so much.

It seems these days all people care about is endgame content they can burn out on. I mean really the only way this game will keep people interested is if FFXIV keeps popping out expansions. And I fear it will be like wow, where one expansion kills the previous content, where your super awesome weapon becomes worse than trash quest gear in the new XPac.

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If you miss those days, that game STILL exists. Stop trying to turn this game into THAT game.

and fix mob leashes.. they are to short

This is not the way Yoshi-p intended for people to level up, so expect them to ninja patch this in some way soon, Please look forward to it.

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Originally Posted by Dorfentyme

If you miss those days, that game STILL exists. Stop trying to turn this game into THAT game.

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That game has been casualized too...

one thing i liked about ffxi was that end game content was capped to 75 for a long time, and weapons you got in expansion 1 would still work on expansion 3, you had a variaty of weapons to choose, with buffs and random procs. making old content playable 3 years after because the drop was still useful. now.. come ffxiv next expansion.. epic weapons like ifrit garuda and titan.. will be as good as a vendor weapon..

[QUOTE=Ryios;1289086]I remember quite a few suprises in FFXI in exp parties.QUOTE]

lol they were good times. First time in the caves by by Basty I watched a 20 Quad train go by me after some poor soul, then on thier way back they stopped at me and all 20 of em hunched over and simultainiously attacked me, looked funnier than shiz. Exp parties were sometimes a pain to get into but most were a blast. had all my spells in a row macro'd to cast while waiting in order to skill em up.

I hate to say it but the only way you can make an exp party is we need a level sync feature so we can use it with friends or most of them will not bother.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Do you expect open world mobs to be a threat? Grinding mobs to get levels shouldn't have any fancy work. Even FFXI wasn't like that, it just had a slow combat system, mobs with alot of health, and if you got after IT's they can hit hard.

Grinding shouldn't be this fancy work that requires tactics. Leave that for bosses.

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No you can make an exp party. But you have to organize it, and it's harder than finding groups in FFXI was. Easiest thing to do is get 8 people all level 1 on new classes and go find a level 5 camp, you'll be level 5 in a blink, then move to level 10 camp (e.g. Horizon), 15 in a blink, then camp drybone areas, level 20 in a blink. In fact you can basically do 1-25 in one night like this especially if you participate in fates that happen to be near by your camps.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

I don't think it's ok I can mount from one end of BEASTMAN STRONGHOLD to the other at level40 aggroing everything with zero threat. That isn't even scary, where's the danger, where's the adventure?

Trash in dungeons is just that too, trash, so it's not just open world content. The only fun mobs inside a dungeon thus far are the bee's in qarn and the statues, everything else is just tank + spank and no threat. Why can a decade old MMO create normal enemies as powerful as bosses but a current gen one just creates "filler" trash that servers no purpose but to annoy you and slow you down?

We need enemies as powerful as FFXI mobs in the open world that chase you forever and make you scared to aggro them. I'm never in any danger of dying, the only times I've died is when I've jumped off a cliff with aggro in the open world.

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Well, all I can tell you is make a petition of sorts. You have to have people agreeing with you (and a lot at that) for SE to make a huge change like that). They actually did it once in 1.0 where the Battle system was completely changed. If you truly feel this way, make one and see how many people agree with your plight. I'll even sign because it really doesn't matter to me, I'll have fun either way :P.

Edit: Even if that were to be approved, patches will slow down to accommodate these changes. Secondly, will the majority of the players like said changes? will these changes make more money for SE? Have to look at it at a business perspective as well.

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Originally Posted by tatang

This is not the way Yoshi-p intended for people to level up, so expect them to ninja patch this in some way soon, Please look forward to it.

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How not? It was one of the best, if not THE best ways to exp in 1.0 as well. Spiritbond/exp parties in Natalan were amazing.

The people saying they miss FFXI mobs, well, in FFXI grinding out in exp parties was the only way to lvl up, so of course those were harder. Open world mobs in FFXIV are intended for you to go out and kill solo, which is why the ones in dungeons are much stronger.

I don't know if I would want to do an exp party like this, maybe once or twice for nostalgia's sake, but I'd probably get bored doing the one thing over and over (plus, it'd need a lvl sync more like XI's) but, I'm all for it if people wanted to do it. It would give another way for people to lvl up. Although I'd more prefer leves and dungeons (particularly dungeons) have their xp rewards boosted to make them more worthwhile than fates.

My FC formed a full party over the weekend on level 1 jobs and proceeded to just blitz through everything on the field, while stopping at the occasional FATE. We went from 1-15 in 2 hours. It was pretty fun, but I wouldn't want to do this as a primary form of leveling. It started getting really slow after level 10.

4 person team could easily take on adds 5 - 10 levels higher and get pretty high in the chain numbers which was how you were ment to exp party grind anyway :D

If you want to grind "tough" mobs there's this thing called a "dungeon"

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Originally Posted by Crevox

If you want to grind "tough" mobs there's this thing called a "dungeon"

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For 1/4 the exp/hour of fates and still easy enemies that pose no threat and require no strategy besides bosses. Thanks for your insightful input.

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Originally Posted by Azgarde

Honestly, if they could up the XP rate of Levequests and lower level Dungeons

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Just going to point out, if you don't count the time spent in a queue, the lower lvl dungeons are pretty good for exp. I decided to lvl my thm, did a copperbell run with it. I was getting up to 800 exp a kill, I did manage a 1066 exp from a gigas at one point. I almost got 2 lvls off that 1 run. Lately I've tried doing fates as my thm, but half the time I'm waiting on them to start for 5+ minutes

Rested exp and dungeons are actually better than normal fates. Aka the ones you dont get 30k exp for 15 minutes of your time