I personally blame all the fault to SE President who rush Tanaka to release the game too early.
Think on all the opposite ( I'm contridictive to my some previous thought, but I realizes something after reading the tread "Yoshi or Tanaka ?" )
Below are based on the game if release a year later.
1)Imagine, if there is 30~40NMs we can party to kill with.
if there is about 10 job we can choose to start with.
We need tank for sure, we need mage for sure, we need different melee for sure for incapsulate. So everyjob will be needed. This will keep LS activily busy as well.
@r50 ,... or maybe @r75
Archer is already stronger in DMG weak in defense.
Gladiator for sure is alwasy the tank needed, supported by MRD.
Pul is a fun class to play, so is lancer , a very good dmg also support effect.
Conj need to work together with THM, their spell is very different actually.
2)If they didn't change SP, most player will only be able to play 1 class to top rank, and rank other class to just get some good r20 skill or r30 skill.
So is crafting, player feel much more acknowlege to being able to reach top rank craft and needed to craft something hard.
4)A lot of content will be out, new area, new equip, new leve camp, new job, new system...etc.
Tanaka is trying to make FFXIV a game is all different than any other game, especaily diferent than FFXI, still JP style, hard game to rank, so you actually spend more time in the game to enjoy communication and with good music and atmosphere. He just DIDN'T have enough time to polish the game, to adjust UI, to adjust paramter of allocation point, to adjust some skill effect, to put more content, to even do a internal beta-apha test. I'm not saying he's perfect, but he surely is a man of vision.
HOWEVER, most of current player(US mostly?) is asking to twist this game right now...toward..WOW?
Honestly, I've 4 rank50 displince of war and maigc, I'm not proud of it. I haven't play for a long time due to I've no idea what I wanna be or what everyone else wanna be.
Before I quit, I notice most of my LS player left the game once they reach 1~2 r50.
This is becuase now is TOO EASY to rank up. EVERYTHING is easy mode. So it can easily drive top rank player out of the game.
Now battle system is going to be like FFXI/Wow?, monster size is improportion to the surrounding, easy ranking.... All these are going to make PS3 version a super easy game for even a 15 years boy can play, for beginner to surprise, and probalby quit so fast after he realize the game is too easy..
Who did this? Yoshi-P.
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04-09-2011, 02:51 PMBlairIF FFXIV is released a year Later, Tanaka would be a legend again
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04-09-2011, 02:56 PMWinterclaw
I think people quit because they get to level 50 and there isn't enough endgame to keep them occupied or they really don't want to level up again.
Also depending on the company circumstances, another year may or may not have helped. It was already in development for long enough as it was. -
04-09-2011, 03:19 PMgifthorse
dude i already made this thread.
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04-09-2011, 03:34 PMKilta_Firelotus
thge game woulda still have bugs, server instability issues. Remember tanaka joke? the longer the wait the more bugs it would have. The devs had to put aside content to fix bugs that caused server instability which was a tech issue. Once ffxiv oped in alpha it had tones of unexpected bugs. To the team focused on bug clean up. This was all in the "i;m sorry" letter. Not SE fault you didn't believe them even though there was evidence of nasty bugs.
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04-09-2011, 03:45 PMGalamantyl
I know a guy, he's a complete idiot, played EQ all his life and still does now.
He tried FFXIV, and when the reshuffle was announced, his opinion was: "Tanaka didn't know wtf he was doing."
That is the voice of an idiot. I guarantee you anyone here who has stated that this game's outcome is Tanaka's fault follows the same reasoning.
Tanaka was at a disadvantage anyway to begin with. If any of you saw this game during closed beta, it was significantly different than what it is now. He already had an idea, and the biggest mistake he could've made was listening to everyone who whined. I doubt that was even his decision in the first place also.
If he had focused on polishing off the game as it was designed back then, we might've seen a totally different outcome. Instead, we saw pointless changes to battle pacing, spells, MP amounts, etc., All of that was so petty. What's the point of playing a game if you're just going to decide all the rules yourself?
Kids today, all they want to do is play in a sandbox. -
04-09-2011, 03:52 PMJayvirDeforte
That's one of the worst things that a developer can do is listen to the fanbase. Players don't know what's good for them. What they think is "good" or "fair" isn't what makes a game great. Just think of what Super Mario Bros would have been like if there were no pits or if enemies just stunned you. That's what this game is turning into
EDIT: I would also like to point out that Yoshi-P is not destroying this game either. First Tanaka deserves to go to hell, Yoshi-P is a god among men and now it's reversed within a month? You all flip-flop so damn fast I am nearly getting whiplash. He is so busy fixing all the crap that Tanaka messed up on that he can't make the game into what it was meant to be. Let's see what the battle system changes are gonna be before you judge. -
04-09-2011, 07:03 PMLamhirh
There is one thing devs need to listen. If during beta, oplayers say ' game is not ready' they should forward it to directors/marketing. 90% of game failures were rushed releases. Andafter that its almost impossible to overcome bad name game gets after dissapointing opening. I do hope SE manages to overcome it. ( without turnig game into Final WOW XI-2)
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04-09-2011, 08:44 PMIlean
Nah. Tanaka showed signs of not caring to listen to the community since XI.
If it took them five years to deliver this crippled Eorzea, one more wouldn't make the difference.
The notion that you can botch the initial 80% and make up for it with the last 20% is not realistic.
If the game was rushed it was because it took way longer than was planned.
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04-09-2011, 08:51 PMShiyo
Yeah I agree listening to people will just make the game turn into hello kitty 2.0. This game is so easy that it actually angers me how easy it is to play, I hope they make it harder again -_-
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04-09-2011, 09:31 PMAkumu
I always find it funny how I live in a world where people will bash and berate a leader that creates shitstorm(understandable). Then when someone steps up and say "Hey don't worry I will take care of it." people will cheer him on(also understandable). However, I don't understand how after a short time frame people start bashing him/her as if the problem was so minor and how could he/she be taking so long(seriously? Did you forget?). We will never know what Tanaka could have done with more time however we still need to be patient to see what Yoshi-P will do. You can't judge an artist's work until the piece is completed.
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04-10-2011, 12:10 AMObeiKinstar
I'm sadden by the current state that we are in.
It seems (to me) that the majority of americans have become lazy. No one wants to put forth any effort, we all just want instant gratification.
Our grandparents suffered through tough times, and because of this they had to work really hard to make a better life. A better life that we enjoy and have sacrificed nothing to obtain, it was handed down to us. I think this is part of the problem. It has created a generation of whiners that don't know how to do an honest days work.
I believe this carries over to the game. Everyone thinks they are owed something. No one wants to put forth any effort, they just want to be able to log on and instantly be able to be r50. The game is being dumbed down because no one wants to work for it, we just want our free handout (just like irl)
*When i say "everyone" I'm generalizing, I know that not everyone is like this. But it is my feeling that many are. Not trying to be an a-hole or troll or anything like that. I'm just a normal guy. -
04-10-2011, 12:27 AMFrebaut
If the game came out a year later it would still have a lot of problems. The Beta was crap all that did was get ride of a few bugs. I'm surprised these were not fixed with the inhouse beta testing. It seems like they didn't even do that considering all the bugs in the game.
The game was in the works for 6-7 years or close to that. I'm just wondering when they actually started assembling all the different parts of the game together. I would say 6 monthe before the Alpha stage considering how bad everything was in the Alpha. -
04-10-2011, 12:39 AMWinterclawWhat specific differences in CB are you referring to so the people who weren't in it know what you are talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galamantyl
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04-10-2011, 12:45 AMWinterclawDevs, don't listen to him, he doesn't know what's good for him. I however know exactly what's good for me, so listen to me instead. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by jayvir
Limhirh, I tried making that argument earlier. People didn't like it and said that SE should have released the game as was and there was nothing that could be done about it.
Funny you should mention that. I've heard people talk about the more recent expansions of ff11 have gone over pretty well and people are going back to that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilean
Obei, there's no discipline in the US anymore and there's too many things competing for a player's attention. -
04-10-2011, 12:50 AMShiyoYeah, pretty much completely right. It's really annoying, I want a challenge, I want to work for things, I want to feel like I accomplished something when I gain something. Right now, everything is handed to me, I felt more challenged playing WOW. WOW is DESIGNED for casuals and supposed to be incredibly easy, why is this game easier than that?Quote:
Originally Posted by ObeiKinstar
Almost everything I did in FF11 made me feel like I accomplished something, and those accomplishments lasted for years, because I would still use the gear, or still need access to the zones I unlocked, or still needed the jobs to be leveled, etc etc. -
04-10-2011, 12:54 AMElexiaThat's funny, since ToAU was directly in response to fans wanting "instanced content" and "More HNMs" and "Blue Mage" and "Gambler" and "Easier/faster exp" and "Better than zilart gear" and "Poppable NM system" and on and on, though I guess people wouldn't have an argument if they didn't ignore this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilean
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04-10-2011, 01:00 AMShiyoTOAU also ruined that game imo. Since TOAU the game had been going downhill. This is proof listening to people is HORRIBLE, it just makes games easy and newb friendly. BAD!!! >_<Quote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
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04-10-2011, 01:13 AMElexiaI find that Abyssea did far worse...but it's what people wanted afterall, since they complained the ASA/ACP/MKE final bosses were too hard lol..who knew a crystal could give people more trouble than an iron giant and dragon god.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiyo
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04-10-2011, 01:29 AMSeif
Yeah what has N. Yoshida given us? Bigger mobs and 6 months of unfulfilled promises.
Wait just a little bit longer ... -
04-10-2011, 01:31 AMBelgianRoflMost people quit before level 20.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winterclaw
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04-10-2011, 01:31 AMArcellYou're right, let's just shut down 70% of the forum because we shouldn't ever listen to the players. Also close down all class discussions and anything specific to any one feature. Leave just General Discussion and Support. Delete all threads that make suggestions, they only make the game easy mode/WoW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiyo
The devs should listen to what we're saying but take any suggestions we make with a grain of salt and decide for themselves what is best for the game and what is just people asking for things they want. Not all the devs play the game, we do. We are experiencing the direct impact of the changes they make and we see exactly how things pan out. -
04-10-2011, 01:36 AMShiyoOk, I was a bit too extreme, but yes, they should listen. They shouldn't change the direction of games just because of peoples complaints and what people want though. They should basically only listen to bugs or exploits and stuff imo. Not "THIS GAME IS TOO HARD!" "WE WANT EVERYTHING FOR FREE!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcell
@Elexia I haven't played with the new abyssea stuff, but from what I've been told it dumbed down and newbed the game up in even more ways. The game is basically the easiest MMO on the market and stuff like that. X_X Downhill since TOAU :( The ASA/ACP/MKE expansions were really fun, and the final bosses were great. I loved the difficulty in them, I guess that's not allowed though, everything needs to be easymode! -
04-10-2011, 01:39 AMArcell
No I totally get where you're coming from. I would also like to see more challenge in the game, specifically in higher level content. The casual players may not need/want the best gear and they won't have to do the most challenging content because of that. The challenge should justify the reward, if you want something great you'll have to try hard.
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04-10-2011, 01:43 AMElexiaYeah xD, I mean:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiyo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FqwVJI4roo
I could solo the final boss of abyssea with an item from it >.>, even without it it's still not terribly hard.
@Yoshida giving us x after 6 months.
He wasn't on the team as producer and director till december officially, now I know it hasn't been 6 months since then. -
04-10-2011, 01:51 AMShiyoWhat is this? Why do you turn around? Do you even have to? And you're spamming 1 WS with unlimited TP and taking like 0 damage from every attack...is this intended to be solod? That fight looked easier than a FF14 mission, just took longer ._.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
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04-10-2011, 02:27 AMDreamerWelcome to the TV/fast food/WoW/Farmville/Internet generation.Quote:
Originally Posted by ObeiKinstar
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04-10-2011, 02:29 AMElexia
It absorbs damage when casting spells/using TP moves, the "brew" drink is basically 3 minute god mode lol. So it's not intended to be soloed, but with the drink anything in abyssea is soloable.
FFXI is definitely different, all from listening to it's playerbase xD -
04-10-2011, 03:07 AMquantumsaintAnd it was better off when they didn't. CoP was fantastic when it came out. Now it's a joke, much like most of FFXI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
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04-10-2011, 03:16 AMMega
It's not about blame but where we go from here.
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04-10-2011, 03:18 AMShiyo
How do you get the item? Is it rare? Expensive? Why does it exist?
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04-10-2011, 03:21 AMAnathiel
so after hearing about how dumbed down ff:xi is, i decided to get back into it. i wanted a more casual friendly ff;xi and now i have it, thank you for informing me.
and the thing about tanaka, yeah sure another year tacked onto the 5 he already had, and i'm sure it would've made a WORLD of difference *sarcasm* -
04-10-2011, 03:23 AMShiyoI'm losing all hope in everything, I think I might have to quit video games or MMOs ._. It really really really sucks...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamer