The new prophecy~

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Dawn may banish even the darkest night - Obviously transition from Umbral era into Astral.

Yet ever shall primal desires burn. - A nod towads Bahamut, if not all of the Primals in general.

Two swords shall vie to lay them low--
A blade born of light and a blade forged of might.
Alas, man may entrust his fate unto but one.

My theory on the last few verses...

Ishgard and Garlean.

Ishgard is known as being something of a church ruled archetype (right word? not sure actually). Where, in this game's version, is ruled by their own Pope like figure.

That's my theory on 'Blade born of Light'

and the Garlean Empire, being 'blade forged by might'

Ishgard is more inclined towards the divine, holy influences. Whereas Garlean is against magic, but rather focuses on machineary and industry to work their means into ends. Thus the 'forging' part of the verse.

So, might it be concluded that at some point through the storyline we'll have an option to either procure Garlean technology, either by stealing it and having Cid build us something for our own use. Or something like a temporary alliance with the Garleans if we should do such a thing to lay down Bahamut for mutual need then return to fighting against them.

As one particular old phrase goes "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" albiet tentively.

I don't think that was specifically a 'prophecy' per se, but more a metaphor for the Eorzean Alliance and the Empire, although which side is 'light' and 'might' depends on your point of view. After all, the Garleans believe they're on the side of light, out to vanquish the 'evil' in the form of the Primals and the beastmen who summon them (and of course, they don't differentiate between true beastmen and people with the Echo who can commune with them - ala, the player), but naturally, it's easier to afix the idea of 'might' to the Empire, due to their obvious military technological superiority.

Also, as far as Ishgard is concerned, they worship Halone the Fury after all, and are somewhat zealous in their belief as well (regarding the rest of the Twelve as lesser deities and those who worship them as heathens.), so I'm not very inclined to attach the 'blade of light' moniker to Ishgard for that reason.

i don't know much of our lore ...i'ma just say it as how i see it if i read it without knowing anything of ffxiv and it's lore and then you can do it with lore lol.


Dawn may banish even the darkest night - Obviously transition from Umbral era into Astral. (world gets mostly destroyed by group, aka the group is what is left for most part, so yeah you may destroy the world for your own reasoning's but..)

Yet ever shall primal desires burn. - A nod towads Bahamut, if not all of the Primals in general. (..those who live still have there human nature and desires in them, primal desires, good or bad even if thinking primals in the game i would think)

Two swords shall vie to lay them low-- (2swords are created to keep them desires down, keep people in there places)

A blade born of light and a blade forged of might. (light = religion and blade= army of goverment)

Alas, man may entrust his fate unto but one. (let the fighting begin again, history repeats itself from those who act like they are light when they are the true darkness) /end

Yoshi-P just commented on the JP forums on a thread about same as this one someone translate!

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Yoshi-P just commented on the JP forums on a thread about same as this one someone translate!

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Rein already translated it ;)
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post927789

I remember that huge sword/pillar that fell out of dalamud as Bahamut broke free. It was referred to as a key and having significance in the new story.

Then I recalled that Dalamud was supposedly man-made by might of Allagan technology. By comparison, the summoning of the twelve created simmilar objects to seal Bahamut, but made of light.

I think I'm smelling something plot-centric here.

Since his same sounds French, I put leveilleur into google translate and "Le Veilleur" means "The Watchman"


Facinating !

In the french Prediction, it's "louisoix le preux". you can translate it by "Louisoix the valiant" XD

http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/to...f42a1ce640bb0b

And the French prediction is a little bit different

"Even if the moonlight blinded us
The dawn will get up one day
The chaos reign over the world
And engenders corrupt deities
An immaculate blade which will banish them
A dark blade wich will enslave them
The only one will be handled"


Sorry if my english is not very good q^_^p

The English translations have usually been tweaked and embellished so much that they miss the original message, which can be seen in the other languages (not just Japanese). Thanks for posting the French translation. (You combined 2 lines tho. :))

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Originally Posted by ArkhamNative

(You combined 2 lines tho. :))

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translation edited. ;)
Now, you can see the seven lines.

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Originally Posted by ArkhamNative

The English translations have usually been tweaked and embellished so much that they miss the original message, which can be seen in the other languages (not just Japanese).

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It's quite interesting to see the other languages are trying to stay faithful to the original message while the English one is getting changed every time. I already made a habit of looking at the German/Japanese version in addition to the English one

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

It's quite interesting to see the other languages are trying to stay faithful to the original message while the English one is getting changed every time. I already made a habit of looking at the German/Japanese version in addition to the English one

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yeah just like in English blog Ferny got kidnapped by a power hungry pudding while in JP it was "M" substituting hehe

So basicially there will be two sides, one that wishes to enslave and use the power of the primals and another that wishes to destroy them outright.

I wonder what side we will be on, or even if we will be able to choose?

Anyone knows if there is another job other than samurai,ninja,musketeer and thief that Yoshi-P was like "sure we will add that"

no not that ive read, those that you pointed out though I think we gonna see most of them if not all after smn.

this new prophecy thing seems to be dark against light.. but we didnt have dark and light in game did we

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Anyone knows if there is another job other than samurai,ninja,musketeer and thief that Yoshi-P was like "sure we will add that"

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Originally Posted by nokinator

no not that ive read, those that you pointed out though I think we gonna see most of them if not all after smn.

this new prophecy thing seems to be dark against light.. but we didnt have dark and light in game did we

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Alright thanks ^_^ and yes prophecy sounds like the basic good VS. evil ..it reminds me a lot of Lord of The Rings when Saruman walks through the orcs forging blades and armor he mentions the new era to be made of machines of steel and fire burning everything.

http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/to...104d85a74e2e8e
Even if the moon is bursting with glare,
comes certainly the dawn at the morning.
But over barren land gods arise furious,
the bright sword chase them, who were previously hidden grimm,
the dark sword erase them, who become bondless.
Only one blade is it, that decide the fate of the world.


translated with a bit Google help. A bit hard for me to translate the poem in english.
Maybe someone can translate it better ? i think the "But over barren land resurrect gods desolate," is a bit wrong.

edit: changed it to "But over barren land gods arise furious,"
I think this is better

Perhaps Loui's spirit manifests itself as the blade of light that will lead us to victory >.> /corny

I think what the words point to specifically with the last two lines in all translations is that there are two choices and only one at a time. So the swords of light and might or dark and light are referencing to the Umbral and Astral Era designation. Umbral is always a calamity but Astral is following prosperity. So if one would be willing to pick up the mantle of rebuilding if you will that will lead back to the light but that require someone to stop the welder of might or dark which in this case would be the empire as they have ripped a war path towards Eorzea destroying by any means necessary a la Dalamund falling which damages both combatants and innocent civilians.

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Originally Posted by Felis

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Even if the moon is bursting with glare,
comes certainly the dawn at the morning.
But over barren land resurrect gods desolate,
the bright sword chase them, who were previously hidden grimm,
the dark sword erease them, who become bondless.
Only one blade is it, that decide the fate of the world.


translated with a bit Google help. A bit hard for me to translate the poem in english.
Maybe someone can translate it better ? i think the "But over barren land resurrect gods desolate," is a bit wrong.

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You've actually done that rather well. It is a very nasty piece of text to translate and any attempt to give it fluid meaning in English is probably pointless. It is, by design, cryptic. Here is my version, but I wouldn't say it is better than yours.

Even if the moon should burst with radiant plumes,
The dawn is still certain to come in the morning,
But over an infected land vile gods arise,
The sword of light, its wrath hitherto buried, hunts them,
The sword of darkness, that has become boundless, suppresses them,
Only one blade may determine the world's fate.

~From Louisoix's Memoirs

Line 1:
Gleißen = to gleam, to glisten, with flames. A verb, it is referring to the way in which dalamud "bursts" open, suggesting beams and rays of bright light. Thus my choice for "with radiant plumes" to convey that sense of rays of fire.

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Ödem = Edema = An unusual retention of fluid in the body tissue. Hence my translation of "infected".
Wüst = Harsh, like the nastiness of the desert. It can mean desolate, but also wild or possibly forsaken. Sounds like the primals, so I used "vile" and made sure "gods" was not capitalised.

Line 5:
Tilgt = Blotted, kind of like an ink blot. In the context, I've gone for "suppress".

Line 6:
Los = Lot, as in drawing lots or your lot in life. Hence the contextual choice to use "fate".

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Originally Posted by Akujin

http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/to...2c2d47bb6983c3

Dawn may banish even the darkest night - Obviously transition from Umbral era into Astral.

Yet ever shall primal desires burn. - A nod towads Bahamut, if not all of the Primals in general.

Two swords shall vie to lay them low--
A blade born of light and a blade forged of might.
Alas, man may entrust his fate unto but one.

My theory on the last few verses...

Ishgard and Garlean.

Ishgard is known as being something of a church ruled archetype (right word? not sure actually). Where, in this game's version, is ruled by their own Pope like figure.

That's my theory on 'Blade born of Light'

and the Garlean Empire, being 'blade forged by might'

Ishgard is more inclined towards the divine, holy influences. Whereas Garlean is against magic, but rather focuses on machineary and industry to work their means into ends. Thus the 'forging' part of the verse.

So, might it be concluded that at some point through the storyline we'll have an option to either procure Garlean technology, either by stealing it and having Cid build us something for our own use. Or something like a temporary alliance with the Garleans if we should do such a thing to lay down Bahamut for mutual need then return to fighting against them.

As one particular old phrase goes "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" albiet tentively.

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I'll take a stab at it.

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Dawn may banish even the darkest night.

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Simple and to the point, the transition of the Seventh Umbral to the Seventh Astral.

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Yet ever shall primal desires burn.

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Even a catastrophe, such as the Seventh Umbral, could not stop the true nature of man. Greed, war and power still drive the animalistic natures of man whether they be Garlean or Eorzean. Selfish desires will persist even through the hard times.

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Two swords shall vie to lay them low--
A blade born of light, and a blade forged of might.

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The Eorzean Alliance and the Garlean Empire are the 2 'swords.' The blade born of light doesn't refer to light vs dark or good vs evil, both of those are subjective as everyone views their own ideals as good and opposite views as being evil. Instead the blade born of light means the Eorzean Alliance and the Eorzean people have opened their eyes and realized the threats that have surrounded them, whether it's the Garleans, Primals, Ascians, traitors in their own ranks, or hidden dangers not yet seen.
The blade forged of might is clearly the Empire under Solus zos Galvus, he rose to power and made the Empire what it is today with his intellect and machina. In contrast with the sword of light, he created the blade, while the Eorzean Alliance was (re)born.

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Alas, man may entrust his fate unto but one.

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This line doesn't mean much to us as we don't really have much of a choice in that we're adventurers fighting for our Grand Companies and not given the choice to aid the Empire. But story wise, the people of Eorzea could choose to help the Alliance or rollover and allow the Empire, who without van Darnus would probably be more than happy to accept the people into the ranks with a little brainwashing here and there, to do their thing and takeover and destroy the Primals or whatever the true goal is. But the line dictates there is no middle ground, it's one choice or the other. The Seventh Astral depends on this line and the choice that is made.

What if in ARR we get to choose between two factions, one of light and one of might? It would certainly be an interesting set up for PvP elements, fighting over Allagan ruins for either a spiritual answer to Bahamut or a mechanical answer.
Just trying to think a bit out of the box...

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Originally Posted by Akujin

http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/to...2c2d47bb6983c3

Dawn may banish even the darkest night - Obviously transition from Umbral era into Astral.

Yet ever shall primal desires burn. - A nod towads Bahamut, if not all of the Primals in general.

Two swords shall vie to lay them low--
A blade born of light and a blade forged of might.
Alas, man may entrust his fate unto but one.

My theory on the last few verses...

Ishgard and Garlean.

Ishgard is known as being something of a church ruled archetype (right word? not sure actually). Where, in this game's version, is ruled by their own Pope like figure.

That's my theory on 'Blade born of Light'

and the Garlean Empire, being 'blade forged by might'

Ishgard is more inclined towards the divine, holy influences. Whereas Garlean is against magic, but rather focuses on machineary and industry to work their means into ends. Thus the 'forging' part of the verse.

So, might it be concluded that at some point through the storyline we'll have an option to either procure Garlean technology, either by stealing it and having Cid build us something for our own use. Or something like a temporary alliance with the Garleans if we should do such a thing to lay down Bahamut for mutual need then return to fighting against them.

As one particular old phrase goes "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" albiet tentively.

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Think this could be how they tie PvP into the game?

Do I get to pick the sword I want to entrust my fate to?

All I have to say about this:

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Two swords shall vie to lay them low--
A blade born of light and a blade forged of might.
Alas, man may entrust his fate unto but one.

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Is that, "Two Swords" " One Blade "Born" of light" which me me feels like there's going to be a Hero in 2.0, and " One Blade forged of Might" Which to me is the Garland Empire looking for Power to control the lands.

"Man may entrust his fate unto but one" A person ( us) has to decide to be with the side of Power? or the side of Light ( Righteousness).

In the Two Swords.. they Only mention born Once ( on the Light side).. and the Power that's spreading in the Garlands favor, and this " Blade of light" is going to help stop them.

That's how I interpret it anyhow.

Figured that tech we are stealing or getting through enemy of my enemy thing is the magiteck armor.. but then I was thinking.. what if we could go into their cities.. .. I can hear Uldah crying in shame.. lol (local countryside compared to the others..)


Also very interesting to see the translations lined up to each other.. Curious to think one may lend more then the other, or entirely different but true information. (Since those that translated (localized) were probably filled in on the context).

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Originally Posted by Merylstryfe

What if in ARR we get to choose between two factions, one of light and one of might? It would certainly be an interesting set up for PvP elements, fighting over Allagan ruins for either a spiritual answer to Bahamut or a mechanical answer.
Just trying to think a bit out of the box...

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I think it would be bad ass if we got to choose which side we wanted to be on.

At first i thought the sword forged of might represented the Empire but now i think the Sword forged of might is the adventurer aka you/me the war at the end of 1.0 forged us as we went through fire...and in 2.0 we will be stronger..as for the blade born of light ..i'm not so sure yet..

Light and Might = The Twelve and the Alliance

The combined forces of these were meant to deliver us safely into the Seventh Astral Era, but things didn't go as intended.

Hm, I wonder, if referring to actual blades in the FF series..which one's would suit this end the best.

XI had the Lightbringer, its power is what caused Tavanazia's connection to the mainland to be destroyed, separating it from the rest of the continent. The sword, once unsheathed, released incredible power. I believe it was Ranperre who was the only one in XI history who could handle the sword unsheathed and control its power, thus how he took control over Vrtra.

The sword of darkness? I really dont know about that one.

I would say the blade of light is the Adventurer(Warrior of light) and the blade of might is Gauis(The Empire) but we shall see....

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Originally Posted by Catapult

You've actually done that rather well. It is a very nasty piece of text to translate and any attempt to give it fluid meaning in English is probably pointless. It is, by design, cryptic. Here is my version, but I wouldn't say it is better than yours.

Even if the moon should burst with radiant plumes,
The dawn is still certain to come in the morning,
But over an infected land vile gods arise,
The sword of light, its wrath hitherto buried, hunts them,
The sword of darkness, that has become boundless, suppresses them,
Only one blade may determine the world's fate.

~From Louisoix's Memoirs

Line 1:
Gleißen = to gleam, to glisten, with flames. A verb, it is referring to the way in which dalamud "bursts" open, suggesting beams and rays of bright light. Thus my choice for "with radiant plumes" to convey that sense of rays of fire.

Line 3:
Ödem = Edema = An unusual retention of fluid in the body tissue. Hence my translation of "infected".
Wüst = Harsh, like the nastiness of the desert. It can mean desolate, but also wild or possibly forsaken. Sounds like the primals, so I used "vile" and made sure "gods" was not capitalised.

Line 5:
Tilgt = Blotted, kind of like an ink blot. In the context, I've gone for "suppress".

Line 6:
Los = Lot, as in drawing lots or your lot in life. Hence the contextual choice to use "fate".

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Thanks a lot for all the translations, everyone!

It does seem more like the Light and Darkness/Might is in reference to Eorzea and Garlemald respectively. Sorry to point out the obvious below a bit. Trying to maintain perspective.

We Adventurers of Eorzea bring the light of understanding, manifesting as an Echo that allows us to communicate with the Beast Tribes and even the Primals. We also have the backing of the Twelve, presumably deities of Light. With these assets we hunt the Primals, possibly to gain control over them.

The Garlean Empire is an evil (or "dark") and mighty force that seeks to eradicate the Primals outright. These "eikons" are obstacles in their path of conquest, and every Garlean is taught that associating with them in any way makes you an enemy. (I am curious how they will react to the news that their precious Meteor was an eikon.)

"Sword", or rather "blades": a metaphor used in the Seventh Umbral Era prophecy, interpreted to mean "adventurer(s)" among other things. A title gained for doing all Battlecraft Leve achievements is "The Sword of Eorzea". A sword is a tool, just as we are tools that serve a greater purpose than ourselves - our Grand Companies, nation, home, and gods.

"In prophecy are a myriad truths concealed. The eye of man decreeth which shall be revealed."
- Urianger

Edit: I checked the German version in Google Translate. It translated the last bit as "From Louisoix Legacy". Since it doesn't know Louisoix is a proper noun, I'm assuming it's "From Louisoix's Legacy".

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Originally Posted by Catapult

But over an infected land vile gods arise,

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Hmm, arise. Much better than ressurect to translate erstehen ^^. I edit my translation

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Line 3:
Ödem = Edema = An unusual retention of fluid in the body tissue. Hence my translation of "infected".

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I think the ödem here is more another word for öde.
http://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/oede

examples: without any trace of a human, deserted, barren [and therefore not attractive to people], little in content or appealing, meaningless, boring

I think the analysis is pretty solid in this thread. It all seems rather straight forward to me now:

• The Primals in ARR are draining the Aether out of the planet.
• The 'Blades' are the two main forces in the world out to stop them: Eorzean Alliance (Born in Light), and Garlean Empire (Forged in Dark/Might).
• We seek to banish them (but use their essences as SMN), Garleans seek to enslave them (Just as did back in the 1.0 prelude, when Midgardsormr attacked the Garlean dreadnought Agrius which held the Primals prisoner)
• The choice of which 'Blade' to use represents the ARR's main struggle between the Garlean Empire and the Eorzean Alliance over dealing with this issue.

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Originally Posted by Felis

I think the ödem here is more another word for öde.
http://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/oede

examples: without any trace of a human, deserted, barren [and therefore not attractive to people], little in content or appealing, meaningless, boring

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Not exactly "another word", it's just the dative form of it.

As far as the two swords go. I personally think it might refer to us (might) and the twelve (light). I think what is mean when it says we have to chose is this. We put our trust at the end with the twelve, but instead they were not strong enough to defend us and cage Bahamut again. So do choose to trust them again in the future or do we choose to handle it our selves (might). It just seems that we put all our faith in these gods and they let our world get destroyed. Shall we follow them blindly again or shall we claim our selves gods and tear down the heavens.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Hmm, arise. Much better than ressurect to translate erstehen ^^. I edit my translation


I think the ödem here is more another word for öde.
http://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/oede

examples: without any trace of a human, deserted, barren [and therefore not attractive to people], little in content or appealing, meaningless, boring

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Good call. Just that given the realm has been reborn, I'm not confident that "wasteland" is what they are aiming for. We had that in the old Mor Dhona, not the new one. It's... a tough cookie to crack.