Will we/Can we have these Final Fantasy items?

I'm talking about Phoenix Downs, hi-potions, mega potions, ethers, remedys, tents, etc.

I noticed in the game we do have potions (i.e. Ice Potion), but they are a novelty at best that only cure about 100-200HP. I've not seen any phoenix downs, or any other effective items that help cure status ailments or HP/MP in a way that can help someone in solo-play or in parties where the WHM is tied up or out of MP.

Is there a reason why we don't see these items? Will they be in 2.0? I think this would add a little more wiggle-room as far as how parties are set up. For example, if a BLM had some ethers, then when MP runs out mid-battle they can have one or two and get back into the game. Or if your job doesn't have Raise, a phoenix down would do this for a fallen party member. If you are adventuring with two friends and you're something like MNK, LNC, ARC - you can still cure each other with potions.

Phoenix Downs - Existed since 1.0.

Hi-Potions - Existed since 1.0

Mega Potions - Existed since 1.0

Ethers - Existed since 1.0

Remedies - Existed since 1.0

Tents - Hopefully.

Etc - Pretty much the majority of medicines found in all FF games (including XI) existed in XIV in some fashion except for the ones that induced certain status effects like mini/berserk etc. I think why you probably rarely seen them is because the general playerbase sucked and didn't actually carry these items.

Phoenix Down is already here, but as a potion. You can buy it in the company store for seals.
but it wouldn't be bad if SE rename the potion in Phoenix Down.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Phoenix Downs - Existed since 1.0.

Hi-Potions - Existed since 1.0

Mega Potions - Existed since 1.0

Ethers - Existed since 1.0

Remedies - Existed since 1.0

Tents - Hopefully.

Etc - Pretty much the majority of medicines found in all FF games (including XI) existed in XIV in some fashion except for the ones that induced certain status effects like mini/berserk etc. I think why you probably rarely seen them is because the general playerbase sucked and didn't actually carry these items.

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I don't see any recipes for these items and have never been in a party where someone had used a phoenix down to raise another party member. I know I have seen potions and ethers in-game, but again they only restore a few HP and are not really effective at mid to end game.

@Felis: If they are available through the GC, were they easily obtainable, or were they rather expensive? I'd assume with a small fortune you should be able to keep a dozen or so phoenix downs and hi-potions on hand for battle purposes.

200 GC seals for "Phoenix Down" (Company Issued Tonic or something similar). People didn't really use items like that in normal EXP parties but raise items, STR potions and Elixirs (especially when they were dropped by imperials for free) were really useful in eg stuff.

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Originally Posted by Uriahnool

I don't see any recipes for these items and have never been in a party where someone had used a phoenix down to raise another party member. I know I have seen potions and ethers in-game, but again they only restore a few HP and are not really effective at mid to end game.

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Yep..which is why I said you rarely seen because people rarely carried. The phoenix downs are from the GC for 215 total iirc, there's 2: 1 that's 100% revive and 1 that is a chance to revive.

For example:

http://mooglebox.com/entries/company-issue-tonic.php

http://mooglebox.com/includes/?tsearch=potion

http://mooglebox.com/includes/?tsearch=ether

http://mooglebox.com/includes/?tsearch=Elixir

http://mooglebox.com/entries/gold-needle.php

http://mooglebox.com/entries/heart-drops.php (these are variously named based on company but does the same thing.)

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Originally Posted by Taika

200 GC seals for "Phoenix Down" (Company Issued Tonic or something similar). People didn't really use items like that in normal EXP parties but raise items, STR potions and Elixirs (especially when they were dropped by imperials for free) were really useful in eg stuff.

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Even then you had people not carry em :\ they can make or break an unfortunate screw up lol.

I'm assuming the potions don't heal for a lot (and have a cool-down timer) because they want to encourage party play. If you could chug easily obtainable health potions nonstop why would we need white mages?

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Originally Posted by Hart

I'm assuming the potions don't heal for a lot (and have a cool-down timer) because they want to encourage party play. If you could chug easily obtainable health potions nonstop why would we need white mages?

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Same reason you needed WHMs in FFXI even though you could chug down the majority of potions without getting medicated (no longer can use that tier of medicine for 30 minutes.)

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Even then you had people not carry em :\ they can make or break an unfortunate screw up lol.

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You were playing with the wrong people. :P

FFXI sucked balls at handling medicines like this, I hope XIV handles it better.

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Originally Posted by Hart

I'm assuming the potions don't heal for a lot (and have a cool-down timer) because they want to encourage party play. If you could chug easily obtainable health potions nonstop why would we need white mages?

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A white mage will always be better than lugging items around. Plus WHM has shell/protect and other abilities that items would not be as effective or cumbersome to work with. But as I said before, if you're in a party where whm isn't part of it, it would be nice to be able to solo or have a small party without the absolute need for a WHM, or if you're in a boss battle and the WHM goes down, to have other party members be able to throw some potions/phoenix downs to get people back up and running.

As a BLM, I feel my biggest concerns were not being able to raise party members, or running out of MP and becoming useless. If the WHM went down, I'd be dead in the water with no way to cure myself or use my magic. Having a few more options available in battle through the use of items would make the game play a bit more dynamic, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Hart

I'm assuming the potions don't heal for a lot (and have a cool-down timer) because they want to encourage party play.

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Mega potion
HP Regen : +20% (600 max)
Recast Time: 1:30

Can change in ARR

The best (and the most expensive) are elixir
HP Regen+50% (Max:2000)
MP Regen+30% (Max:1050)
Recast Time 7:30

The company-issue tonics were U/U so you could only carry one.

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Originally Posted by Uriahnool

I don't see any recipes for these items and have never been in a party where someone had used a phoenix down to raise another party member. I know I have seen potions and ethers in-game, but again they only restore a few HP and are not really effective at mid to end game.

@Felis: If they are available through the GC, were they easily obtainable, or were they rather expensive? I'd assume with a small fortune you should be able to keep a dozen or so phoenix downs and hi-potions on hand for battle purposes.

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Check for those names in Mooglebox: Hi-Potion, Mega Potion, Ether, they are there. We don't have the Remedy item itself but we have various different remedies for certain statuses in particular. Even Golden Needles.
I do know that while levelling, at least, I had extensive usage of Hi-Potions and Ethers with my Gladiator and Thaumaturge, then again i'm an Alchemist myself so I had a stockpile of those.

And let's not forget the Elixir. Nael Van Darnus, first stage of the fight, Paladin goes down, Dragoon has all the aggro. What do I use to tank Nael for he party to finish killing it? Why, of course, Dread Spikes, Second Wind and Elixir. God that Elixir, I love it.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Same reason you needed WHMs in FFXI even though you could chug down the majority of potions without getting medicated (no longer can use that tier of medicine for 30 minutes.)

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Weird but somehow my custom sig shows up in your post???

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Originally Posted by Skies

I do know that while levelling, at least, I had extensive usage of Hi-Potions and Ethers with my Gladiator and Thaumaturge, then again i'm an Alchemist myself so I had a stockpile of those.

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you do know that you can use cure while on GLA or THM
do you?

Offline FF games depend a LOT on potions you healed yourself and your party with them ...i found it odd that i couldn't do it in FFXI when i started playing it lol SE needs to give them more importance with no cooldowns.
Also i hate in FF14 how you can't cure yourself if you are locked on a mob for the auto-attack to work ...wtf is that?

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Originally Posted by Edy

Weird but somehow my custom sig shows up in your post???

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Probably something with the browser you're using.

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Offline FF games depend a LOT on potions you healed yourself and your party with them ...i found it odd that i couldn't do it in FFXI when i started playing it lol SE needs to give them more importance with no cooldowns.

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Massively Multiplayer Role Playing Game. I dont think I need to bold it

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Also i hate in FF14 how you can't cure yourself if you are locked on a mob for the auto-attack to work ...wtf is that?

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Are you sure about this? Because that sounds like command queueing from back then where we still have stamina bar

Lets see....

All FF series have potions, which are useful.
All FF series have mages, which can cure, and are useful.

So why does it the MMO's cant get it right when it clearly works?

*sigh* *grab bait*
Its a multiplayer game, you play with other people that can heal you

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Originally Posted by rina_inverse

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Also i hate in FF14 how you can't cure yourself if you are locked on a mob for the auto-attack to work ...wtf is that?

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Are you sure about this? Because that sounds like command queueing from back then where we still have stamina bar

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This is always the case, in both FFXI and XIV, in XI you cure the mob, in XIV, you get a message "cant cure the mob". Here the problem is you cant target yourself without remove the lock. The only way to do it fast is a macro for solo with "Cure <me>"

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Originally Posted by Delgah

This is always the case, in both FFXI and XIV, in XI you cure the mob, in XIV, you get a message "cant cure the mob". Here the problem is you cant target yourself without remove the lock. The only way to do it fast is a macro for solo with "Cure <me>"

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I think your problem is you deactivated the second target cursor.

People in my LS didn't start really using the 'Phoenix Down' company seal items until Ifrit (extreme) basically forced us to. With only one healer, you're lucky if you can get someone to cast a real raise on you at any point in the fight.

"Remedy" potions are something you should always have if they are applicable to you. For instance, as a healer, I -always- have echo drops. This is something I started doing in FFXI (where it was expected of you). Not many people carry these items in FFXIV, and I'm not sure why... =/ With Esuna having such an obnoxiously long cooldown, you really can't rely on a healer to take off all of your ailments, especially if you are afflicted by more than one.

Potions and mana pots are very important for a fight that drags on, or if you are trying to make up for a lack of gear with extra nukes. For instance, in a fight where you are really trying to 'beat the clock', your BLM will want to have mana pots on themselves for when they are out of MP after convert. Tanks and melee will want HP pots for the 'oh crap' moments that can occur, such as when a healer is dead/cc'd/dc'd, or other such delay in healing.

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Originally Posted by rina_inverse

you do know that you can use cure while on GLA or THM
do you?

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Of course. Did I ever mention how that was never sufficient?
Actually, you can't really cure your MP with THM, and Ethers are pretty useful for that, at least when levelling. I actually did Leves for levelling so sitting still for a while to wait for MP to recover was generally not a good idea, though it tended to work better when I was in a party.

I myself thought about doing Alchemist, since the items are so damned useful, but for some reason everyone says that they're useless. When did several hundred MP back in a second reduce resting time for mages be "useless"? I know that the items have what, a 3 minute cooldown? It won't help in Darnus (hard) since the 30 minute cooldown on Lunar Curtains (medicated status) is in effect since the beginning of the fight because that's when you pop it, but in other circumstances this stuff can be useful. Enmity+ potions for the tanks, enmity- for the DD/BLM if necessary. It just seems like there are a bunch of possibilities that aren't being utilized by the players.

Just curious to what happens to people with 5 players standing and no one has raise? we have alot of these items already just not named the same as back in the old days, but

all mega potions
all company tonics
all food excedra,

we got a good amount and are all very useful especially in the burning circle when half your party dies before they pull there weapons. I just wish the countdown would be adjusted a bit and or be able to carry more of the more useful ones like company tonic and scrolls for those of us that cant seem to stay alive very long.

I think if we do have these item already in game, having a short duration of effectiveness and a long wait time between using them again does make them more of a novelty than practical items to use in battle. I would like to see an Elixr or a mega potion that can be used in battle as needed, with maybe a 30 second wait time which would be much more practical than the several minutes many items have. Even a progress bar that needs to be filled before the item is used (similar to spell casting) wouldn't be so bad, as long as they could be used when needed.

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Originally Posted by Felis

I think your problem is you deactivated the second target cursor.

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What's this second target cursor you speak of?

XIV already has all these medicines, and much much more. ._.
(I use Giant's Drink to assist in MP recovery as a WHM.)
They're all useful in their own capacity, the cool-downs are there for balance.
XI potions weren't too useful outside of particular fights or removing status effects.
(Or self-inflicting poison.) Fields of Valor made temporary potions very popular. (Ballista too)

I love the company issue tonics! (phoenix downs)
Feels good to have 3-4 raises at my disposal. :D

Not to be rude, but holy cow if you haven't figured out how to select target while locked on. :O
It's a simple on-off switch in the in-game config menu, next to the macro tab option.

Something like:
"Do you want to be able to select targets for your actions while locked on?" Yes/ON or No/OFF.
Too little too late now, but it's there.
Also, if you use macros, use < st > over < t >.

(Edit: Ryuko: I also carry Echo Drops full time! High five XI Mage status!)
(Edit 2: "Holy Cow!" As in, wow that really sucks! Must've been frustrating.)

No, i didnt see it, and it looks i'm not the only one. (Maybe your text explanation is better than SE one!)
Well, i'll look better at V2!

Purchaseable at the lowest possible GC rank (Recruit/Private):
Company-Issue Tonic: 250 gc seals, guaranteed raise on whomever you use it.
Company issue Expectorant: 15 seals, chance of raise on whomever you use it.

If everyone carries both, the party is no longer limited to a presence of mind double raise in a crucial fight that nearly wipes. The potential to recover and win is much, much higher.

Honestly Im amazed so many people dont bother. It makes practicing tougher fights, especially in speed runs, way more viable, for when the party is not yet decked out in gear to proceed quickly and without deaths. Even then, I know several decked-out parties who still do it "just in case".

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Offline FF games depend a LOT on potions you healed yourself and your party with them ...i found it odd that i couldn't do it in FFXI when i started playing it lol SE needs to give them more importance with no cooldowns.
Also i hate in FF14 how you can't cure yourself if you are locked on a mob for the auto-attack to work ...wtf is that?

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You definitely can cure yourself while auto-attacking. When you hit the spell it activates a sub-target cursor which you use to target yourself. Items either do the same or are automatically used on yourself.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

You definitely can cure yourself while auto-attacking. When you hit the spell it activates a sub-target cursor which you use to target yourself. Items either do the same or are automatically used on yourself.

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Unless the sub target feature is disabled in your config menu. It was for me.

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Originally Posted by Uriahnool

As a BLM, I feel my biggest concerns were not being able to raise party members, or running out of MP and becoming useless. If the WHM went down, I'd be dead in the water with no way to cure myself or use my magic. Having a few more options available in battle through the use of items would make the game play a bit more dynamic, in my opinion.

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Seems to me you're concerned about being a BLM, then.
That's like saying a WHM biggest concern is not being able to do enough damage... or running out of MP and becoming useless, too. If you are a BLM you MUST have those limitations, otherwise what's the point of jobs?

Imo, items are ok with a timer. You can have one phoenix down (with wahatever name), for an emergency, but that's it, for emergencies, and the same with potions/ether/whatever. It sure shouldn't become a game of how fast you can press the use potion button, and how many you carried around.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

Unless the sub target feature is disabled in your config menu. It was for me.

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Looks on default settings, is disabled.