RNG sucks!!

30 frogs killed 1 Skin screw you RNG, SE please change this crap as I need the skins for crafting and spending hours upon hours getting skins to drop randomly from enemies...

Before some smart alec says hurr durr retainers I need more than 15 skins EVERY hour to get the task done I need to do...

Rant over!

which skins are you looking for?

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

which skins are you looking for?

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It was the Luncheon Toadskins, I only needed 120 and literally had to kill 50 toads to get the 5, they either need to buff the drop rates of things like hides and skins or make a class that can gather them from corpses because this is ridiculous.

I'm sorry I just had to rant because it was getting rather ridiculousm, now to go farm almasty furr, wish me luck.

Yea, farming mats off mobs is probably the worst part of crafting/gathering. Especially when the mob you are farming drops multiple types of items and seems to drop that stuff at much higher rates than the skins (here's looking at you dhalmels and dragons in Heavensward lands).

At least we don't have to deal with hq mats anymore. I still remember trying to get those, and sometimes had hundreds of the regular items before one would drop.

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Originally Posted by RealHounder1971

Yea, farming mats off mobs is probably the worst part of crafting/gathering. Especially when the mob you are farming drops multiple types of items and seems to drop that stuff at much higher rates than the skins (here's looking at you dhalmels and dragons in Heavensward lands).

At least we don't have to deal with hq mats anymore. I still remember trying to get those, and sometimes had hundreds of the regular items before one would drop.

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I've got a rather large shopping list of things to gather and tbh I look forward to mining and landscaping because im guarantted reward for my time where as hides/furrs/slimes are just an absolute slog of a farm, im dancing at glee at farming 2000 Bismuth ore as that'll be chill.

I just started thinking of a hunter/survivalist type job that has a passive buff to monster item drop rates....an interesting idea in my head but probably really tedious/bad...

RNG has always not been fun in MMORPGs. It's still in this game, but less than other games I've played.

But I do prefer a bit of RNG. Not much. Just like 1 in 3 chance sort of stuff. 1 in 50, 1 in 100, is when it's not fun.

I don’t think we’re intended to directly farm skins like this. A single Endwalker FATE, just a few minutes, will grant you seven skins (in the form of 14 bicolor gemstones, which you exchange at 2 per skin).

RNG is not fun but it's unfortunately the only game mechanic that RPG designers can conceive of, unfortunately. With all the computing power we have today, the only thing they can think to simulate is throwing dice like pen and paper RPGs.

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Originally Posted by EorzeaWanderer

I don’t think we’re intended to directly farm skins like this. A single Endwalker FATE, just a few minutes, will grant you seven skins (in the form of 14 bicolor gemstones, which you exchange at 2 per skin).

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I aint faming fates that don't drop skins (Yes I tried on the almasty fate nothing dropped) only to recieve 12 Bi colour gems) which can take up to 15 mins solo as you have to sync and your damage is reduced, trade off is still poor.

Tbh this game has SO much content RNG on skins/hides and slimes just isnt required if you're worried about timesink as everything else still takes tons of time to do and if you farm you still have to spend time farming so the time argument is nullified to me.

I have been playing this game on and off since 1.0, i enjoy farming but i also like to be rewarded for my farming, getting nothing for farming is a feel bad moment.

If you have a retainer leveled up in a combat class they can farm materials from mobs.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

If you have a retainer leveled up in a combat class they can farm materials from mobs.

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This. Using leveled+geared combat retainers on my various alts, I can get over 240 luncheon toad skins in an hour for 16 ventures.
Of course, even quicker is to just buy them off the marketboard, but I rarely do that, and I understand why people might not want to. But if you did some leves (for example) instead of hunting the skins yourself, the leves would probably easily pay for the skins.

Sometimes the round-about path is the fastest.

There's an alternative way to get some mob drops now. You can use bicolor gemstones at various vendors in different zones. You don't have to do the fates in the same zone. The bicolor gemstone bank increases from Shadowbringers fates onward. Then you can use the bicolor gemstones at any trader in any zone that accepts them.

*Sigh*

People really do struggle with reading don't they.

I have 1 character with 2 retainers, Thats all I have time for and 1 retainer is a miner the other is a combat class, as I said waiting an hour for 15 skins is still a joke, bi colour gems require farming of fates for a small amount of gems and for most fates you end up doing solo as the area is dead.

I mean great for you, you have an army of alts all with retainers lvl'd at that, Wish I had the same amount of free time you have, Great for you...

Doing content on my FFXIV? what?

You gotta pay $$ for some retainers buddy.

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

Doing content on my FFXIV? what?

You gotta pay $$ for some retainers buddy.

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Yeah, not happening tbh, so the games pay to win is what you're saying, maybe i was an idiot supporting this game during 1.0, Y'know when I was a kid and had tons of free time, adulting sucks and I still love the game but the RNG these days is so awful especially when you have more than a game going on inrl.

There is absolutely no way that doing Endwalker fates solo takes 15 minutes.

If the areas are dead, the Fates are scaled down to accomodate the lower number of players. Just go to Ultima Thule so you don't get level sync, and you can take your level 90 Red Mage and just blitz through them. I was doing this with Dancer yesterday, and it only takes a few minutes per fate.

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

I aint faming fates that don't drop skins (Yes I tried on the almasty fate nothing dropped) only to recieve 12 Bi colour gems) which can take up to 15 mins solo as you have to sync and your damage is reduced, trade off is still poor.

Tbh this game has SO much content RNG on skins/hides and slimes just isnt required if you're worried about timesink as everything else still takes tons of time to do and if you farm you still have to spend time farming so the time argument is nullified to me.

I have been playing this game on and off since 1.0, i enjoy farming but i also like to be rewarded for my farming, getting nothing for farming is a feel bad moment.

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Bi-colour gems are the best way to go. They don't take 15 minutes, even on a tank it takes me about 5 minutes at the very most...maybe 2-3 on Ultima. Also combat class retainer? You said you have one: that's 15 skins in one shot. If not there is always the market board. It's not like those things are going to break the bank. Combine those methods (they are not mutually exclusive) and you'll have tons of skins in no time.

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Originally Posted by Sacae

There is absolutely no way that doing Endwalker fates solo takes 15 minutes.

If the areas are dead, the Fates are scaled down to accomodate the lower number of players. Just go to Ultima Thule so you don't get level sync, and you can take your level 90 Red Mage and just blitz through them. I was doing this with Dancer yesterday, and it only takes a few minutes per fate.

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There's also no requirement to do Endwalker fates. Shadowbringers give the same currency and are much easier.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

There's also no requirement to do Endwalker fates. Shadowbringers give the same currency and are much easier.

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Actually, at level 90, Ultima are the fastest as you are not synched down and you have all your abilities.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

Actually, at level 90, Ultima are the fastest as you are not synched down and you have all your abilities.

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Ultima can add time getting around in the zone, though. I always preferred doing ShB zones that are easier to zip from end to end in.

Yes of course, im going to live in the game chasing fates for crafting materials, brilliant design... more like boring design fates are absolutely boring as hell to do, I would rather kill the mobs I need get the items do my thing not do unrelated tasks.

But why am I even expressing this here, there's always those who seem to think unrelated tasks are the answer and because they can do mindnumbing tasks without activating more than 1 neuron they think its all fine and dandy, fates are NOT stimulating gameplay...

I don't understand this.

You find killing mobs (fates) boring, but killing mobs (normal enemies) interessting? And the reason you find killing mobs (fates) boring is that they are to easy? But killing mobs (normal enemies) is not as boring for you? But you need even less "neurons" (as you would call it) for killing normal enemies than for fates. Can you please explain to me why a more boring event is more interessting for you.

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Originally Posted by Asdif_Laoeg

I don't understand this.

You find killing mobs (fates) boring, but killing mobs (normal enemies) interessting? And the reason you find killing mobs (fates) boring is that they are to easy? But killing mobs (normal enemies) is not as boring for you? But you need even less "neurons" (as you would call it) for killing normal enemies than for fates. Can you please explain to me why a more boring event is more interessting for you.

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No its all boring, and chasing fates is also dull, but I would rather farm the mobs and reliably get the hides/skins I want rather than fate chase, but in all honestly I would rather absolutely prefer another disciple of land job that deals with monster parts/furrs/skins/hides... It would make a hell of alot more sense and the crafting/gathering jobs have been neglected hardcore compared to combat jobs.

Farm fates solo in 90 areas and buy them.

Are you really complaining about grinding mobs when the devs have put faster methods in the game already. In an mmo of all games where grinds are expected.

If it takes you 15 mins a fate then I don't know what to tell you.

Failing that buy them from mb by getting money from content you do enjoy.

why are you complaining that direct drops from mobs are too low and when people are telling you a much faster way of getting them your still complaining that the solution isn't good enough for you. Just buy the stuff off the market board if fate farming or farming mobs is too much for you. At least it's not like everquest or ff11 or other old mmo games where it has a less then 1 percent drop rate and takes weeks/months to potentially get a single drop. Farming the mobs fate farming or buying off market board are the 3 solutions of getting them what else do you want for answers unless you want the mobs to hand you the skins.

If you are the only one doing FATEs in a zone, it shouldn't be taking 15 minutes to solo a FATE. FATEs adjust difficulty depending on how many people are doing them currently. Less people doing them = less HP boss fates have/less enemies needed for completion/less items turned in for completion. If you are truly the only person doing FATEs in the zone, one should take you 3-5 minutes, tops. That means 7 toad skins every 5 minutes, guaranteed. Don't have to fight toads. Don't even have to do FATEs in Labyrinthos. Not to mention even if you're getting synched down in level doing them, it's just like any other synch'd content. Your level might be reduced, but the stats on the armor not nearly as reduced. If you're geared up, you should be able to clear a lower level FATE easily. Hell, if you're having that much trouble, you don't even have to do Endwalker zones, you can go back to Shadowbringers zones and still effectively get 6 toad skins per FATE. If you're upset about not killing toads...why? What did toads ever do to you? Do you have some sort of deep seated hatred for toads? ...wait...this gives me an idea for a glam! The toad head and some sort of super hero looking outfit, dyed all black. I am the croak...I! AM! TOADMAN!

*cough* Anyway, given how obtuse you're being about the whole thing, I'm guessing you're not looking for actual solutions. You want to complain. Or are trolling. Which is whatever, it's the Final Fantasy XIV Official Forums, that's what people do here, but let's call a spade a spade.

If you are on a rush because you didn't prepare then just buy from MB and shop around servers, these things are dirt cheap as long as its not new expansion release.
If you are not on a rush then retainer farm even if its 15 per hour it will stockpile faster than you think.
Fates are not worth the time just for craft items unless you are also actively working towards unlocking the extra vendors, which you should because it turns the gemstones(specially the SHB one) into gil making machines.

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

why are you complaining that direct drops from mobs are too low and when people are telling you a much faster way of getting them your still complaining that the solution isn't good enough for you. Just buy the stuff off the market board if fate farming or farming mobs is too much for you. At least it's not like everquest or ff11 or other old mmo games where it has a less then 1 percent drop rate and takes weeks/months to potentially get a single drop. Farming the mobs fate farming or buying off market board are the 3 solutions of getting them what else do you want for answers unless you want the mobs to hand you the skins.

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Common crafting materials didn't have a 1% drop rate in EverQuest, only rare magic items from rare spawns. Common items were either all over the place in EQ or you could buy them from vendors directly.

Instead of forcing players to choose between three boring options, the better solution would be for CBU3 to undo the poor decision they made to triple the leather recipe requirements in Heavensward, and go back to the ARR system of 1 hide = 1 leather. Suddenly it doesn't matter as much if you only get a hide drop every few kills.

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Originally Posted by vetch

Common crafting materials didn't have a 1% drop rate in EverQuest, only rare magic items from rare spawns. Common items were either all over the place in EQ or you could buy them from vendors directly.

Instead of forcing players to choose between three boring options, the better solution would be for CBU3 to undo the poor decision they made to triple the leather recipe requirements in Heavensward, and go back to the ARR system of 1 hide = 1 leather. Suddenly it doesn't matter as much if you only get a hide drop every few kills.

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This thank you absolutely this, these people saying why dont you just do this are stupid and ignorant that not everyone lives in the game and are apologists to a bad system!!

I am slightly annoyed that killing mobs is the slowest way to actually get materials. We reward structure is so low, it's not worth doing and I think that's a major reason why the overworld is so empty, even in current content. The very structured nature of the three activities in your average zone makes for some very static-feeling content:

1) FATEs
2) Gathering at a handful of pre-determined spots
3) Ha! You thought there'd be a third one. There's only 2.

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

Yes of course, im going to live in the game chasing fates for crafting materials, brilliant design... more like boring design fates are absolutely boring as hell to do, I would rather kill the mobs I need get the items do my thing not do unrelated tasks.

But why am I even expressing this here, there's always those who seem to think unrelated tasks are the answer and because they can do mindnumbing tasks without activating more than 1 neuron they think its all fine and dandy, fates are NOT stimulating gameplay...

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One benefit to doing FATEs with the Shared FATE system is that you can unlock items from the vendors as you complete a certain number of FATEs in the given zone. Materials are just one benefit, but there are triple triad cards, I believe minions, portraits for housing, etc. It's been a bit since I looked at the gemestone vendors. You can always do both mob drops and FATEs but the bicolor system was put into place to try to alleviate the sometimes bad RNG on mob drops.

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

This thank you absolutely this, these people saying why dont you just do this are stupid and ignorant that not everyone lives in the game and are apologists to a bad system!!

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I mean yeah, it’s bad but it’s STILL faster to farm FATES, use a retainer, or buy off the mb than to farm individual mobs. Personally I use retainers or just buy them, I’m not wasting my time killing things. I got stuff to do!

Why’re you in such a hurry anyway? Genuinely curious why you need that many skins quickly.

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Originally Posted by posona

I mean yeah, it’s bad but it’s STILL faster to farm FATES, use a retainer, or buy off the mb than to farm individual mobs. Personally I use retainers or just buy them, I’m not wasting my time killing things. I got stuff to do!

Why’re you in such a hurry anyway? Genuinely curious why you need that many skins quickly.

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I'm leveling my crafter jobs through collections and getting white scripts for the mastery recipe books, I also dont play all the time so when I set a goal i get it done as fast as I can as i dont want to spend an entire month doing 1 chore.

Anyway im done, I finished my shopping list tonight, it was this:

750 Red Pine Logs, -Complete
1200 Bismuth Ore, -Complete
300 Tin Ore, -Complete
60 Vampire Cup Vines, -Complete
60 Vampire Vine Sap, -Complete
150 Phrygian Gold Ore, -Complete
100 Zinc Ore, -Complete
240 Saiga Hide, -Complete
60 Eblam Alumen, -Complete
450 Snow Flax, -Complete
120 Luncheon Toad Skin, -Complete
30 Yellow Alumen, -Complete
120 Almasty Fur, -Complete
120 Mousse Flesh, -Complete
120 Lunatender Blossoms, -Complete
60 Carrots of Happiness, -Complete
30 Iceberg Lettuce, -Complete
30 Underground Spring water, -Complete
720 Palm Syrup. -Complete

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

I'm leveling my crafter jobs through collections and getting white scripts for the mastery recipe books, I also dont play all the time so when I set a goal i get it done as fast as I can as i dont want to spend an entire month doing 1 chore.

Anyway im done, I finished my shopping list tonight, it was this:

750 Red Pine Logs, -Complete
1200 Bismuth Ore, -Complete
300 Tin Ore, -Complete
60 Vampire Cup Vines, -Complete
60 Vampire Vine Sap, -Complete
150 Phrygian Gold Ore, -Complete
100 Zinc Ore, -Complete
240 Saiga Hide, -Complete
60 Eblam Alumen, -Complete
450 Snow Flax, -Complete
120 Luncheon Toad Skin, -Complete
30 Yellow Alumen, -Complete
120 Almasty Fur, -Complete
120 Mousse Flesh, -Complete
120 Lunatender Blossoms, -Complete
60 Carrots of Happiness, -Complete
30 Iceberg Lettuce, -Complete
30 Underground Spring water, -Complete
720 Palm Syrup. -Complete

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Ah, see I don’t have the attention span to focus on a single thing like that, unless it’s gathering, gathering is strangely calming.

Congrats on completing your list though!

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Originally Posted by posona

Ah, see I don’t have the attention span to focus on a single thing like that, unless it’s gathering, gathering is strangely calming.

Congrats on completing your list though!

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Yeah I don't like the combat in this game, its too sluggish, prefer WoW's combat, but I sure do love crafting and gathering, apart from hides/monster parts and skins :/