2hr Abilites (Yes Please!)? or (No Thanks!)?

2hr abilities in XI were basically a special move that your job was given from the beginning. The benefits from the ability were so great that it took 2 hours before you could use it again. I am personally for a 2hr it wil help distinguish classes better. But I wanna know what every one thinks about it. So YES if you agree, and if NO explain why?

I am absolutely for abilities to distinguish classes, but they don't need to have 2hr timers. Maybe 10-20 minutes if the ability is that super good, anything more than that is not necessary.

Best part of two hours imo was.

The strategy for long hard fights in FFXI had players 2 hrs in the mix. They kind of rounded the fight out to make it more easier or just possible to win. Even some 2 hrs are game savers, to a win which could of been a full wipe.

I think over time we can see this happening in FFXIV once more content and lvl cap raises or of some sort. I'm sure we will get some sort of crazy ability//skill for each class.

So YES I would like to see this in FFXIV. {Yes Please} ^_^

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Originally Posted by Maat

2hr abilities in XI were basically a special move that your job was given from the beginning. The benefits from the ability were so great that it took 2 hours before you could use it again. I am personally for a 2hr it wil help distinguish classes better. But I wanna know what every one thinks about it. So YES if you agree, and if NO explain why?

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No. 2hr abilities(most) were for the most part useless. All were extremely underpowered for an ability that is on a 2hr cooldown. To actually have an ability thats on a 2hr cooldown and be worth it most would then say "Its too overpowered!"

I would prefer each job(when they are added) getting a 30min cd ability that is actually useful.

edit: They also lasted about 20 seconds? 30 at most for some jobs. It was a horrible way to implement an ability overall. In the end they just were used for brief fun every 2hrs.

No thanks, they were a little too situational, you can make useful class defining abilities without putting them on a two hour cooldown.

IF they introduce 2 hour abilities (or something similar), I hope they only have the cooldown for THAT particular ability. Nothing was worse than using my 2 hour on PLD, switching to SAM, and not having my SAM 2 hour available.

Yes please

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Originally Posted by Akumu

No. 2hr abilities(most) were for the most part useless. All were extremely underpowered for an ability that is on a 2hr cooldown. To actually have an ability thats on a 2hr cooldown and be worth it most would then say "Its too overpowered!"

I would prefer each job(when they are added) getting a 30min cd ability that is actually useful.

edit: They also lasted about 20 seconds? 30 at most for some jobs. It was a horrible way to implement an ability overall. In the end they just were used for brief fun every 2hrs.

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Being invincible for 30 seconds wasn't useful? Doing 5 minutes worth of attacks in 30 seconds wasn't useful? Completely healing your entire party wasn't useful?

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Originally Posted by CeeKay

Best part of two hours imo was.

The strategy for long hard fights in FFXI had players 2 hrs in the mix. They kind of rounded the fight out to make it more easier or just possible to win. Even some 2 hrs are game savers, to a win which could of been a full wipe.

I think over time we can see this happening in FFXIV once more content and lvl cap raises or of some sort. I'm sure we will get some sort of crazy ability//skill for each class.

So YES I would like to see this in FFXIV. {Yes Please} ^_^

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Thank you for typing that so I don't. I liked how two-hours added strategy to boss fights and such. Something this game sorely lacks.

Some sort of Over Drive or 2 hour ability that completely defines the class and would also be able to change the tide of battle and allow players to create tactics and emphasize strategies.

No thanks. They can make classes/jobs more unique by adding in new abilities without forcing them over on a 2hr cooldown. Would rather them spend resources and time on things we will use alot than rarely.

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Originally Posted by Xeno

Being invincible for 30 seconds wasn't useful? Doing 5 minutes worth of attacks in 30 seconds wasn't useful? Completely healing your entire party wasn't useful?

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They all were underpowered for a 2hr cd. PLD, WHM, MNK had the best 2hr in the game. However for an ability that took 2hrs just to use again they were still underpowered. Hell give them an hr cd at most but the rest lacked a lot.
BLU, RDM, DRG, DRK, BST, RNG, NIN, SCH, DNC, and PUP may not have been completely useless(with certain ones effectiveness ranging) but not very amazing for something you had to wait 2hrs for.

I have rarely seen people use those jobs abilities to some grand degree. Most of the time they were used just for fun.
Even whm ability was a cool 2hr but still you had to wait 2hrs before you could use again? The 2hr abilities at most barely gave you a boost to survive so why have them on a 2hr cd for such minimal results. The mnk some could say had the best ability overall but it still wasn't a 2hr cd worth special.

Class "Uniqueness" can easily be achieved via locking down the skill sets a bit. While the 2hr abilities from xi were a interesting mechanic, its one of the things that i definitely do not want to see replicated here.

My reply
no
With agreeing they were to situational, and in some cases worthless.
Like 100 fists for monk was 100 misses. The war 2 hr was miss central. Only few 2 hours that were worth it were

ninja for quick teleporting or death w/o loss of exp and no weakness
summoner as it allowed the iconic abilities of the summons
theif since it well >.> unless poisoned you don't die.
paladin cuz well its invisible.
sam. since it let you self sc and let you ws really well.
and rdm only if you /drk since u can stun fast.
rest were kinda pointless or your base acc tanked.

I also didn't like the 2 hour timer for a 20 sec ability. Kinda unbalanced.

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Originally Posted by Akumu

They all were underpowered for a 2hr cd. PLD, WHM, MNK had the best 2hr in the game. However for an ability that took 2hrs just to use again they were still underpowered. Hell give them an hr cd at most but the rest lacked a lot.
BLU, RDM, DRG, DRK, BST, RNG, NIN, SCH, DNC, and PUP may not have been completely useless(with certain ones effectiveness ranging) but not very amazing for something you had to wait 2hrs for.

I have rarely seen people use those jobs abilities to some grand degree. Most of the time they were used just for fun.
Even whm ability was a cool 2hr but still you had to wait 2hrs before you could use again? The 2hr abilities at most barely gave you a boost to survive so why have them on a 2hr cd for such minimal results. The mnk some could say had the best ability overall but it still wasn't a 2hr cd worth special.

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2hr abilities weren't for lolrape moments every 15 minutes. They're meant to save your ass in a tight spot.

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Originally Posted by Xeno

2hr abilities weren't for lolrape moments every 15 minutes. They're meant to save your ass in a tight spot.

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A tight spot that rarely happened and even then few were useful if you're party linked mobs they couldn't handle. Which most of the time that was the case if you were in a bind.

Something that takes as long as 2hrs to do needs to at least be worth waiting 2hrs for.

RDM however were great if he/she survived to raise the parties failed "2hr now!" shouts. Rarely did a party 2hr and everything worked perfect unless you had SAMs, PLD, and MAYBE MNK(if mnk had good acc).
WHM gave you that extra boost to live while running unless the mobs were already low on hp.

yes, but 2hr timer is stupid. 20 mins at the most

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Originally Posted by Xeno

2hr abilities weren't for lolrape moments every 15 minutes. They're meant to save your ass in a tight spot.

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there's a lot of games that have "oh crap" buttons that are on 5-10-15-30m timers. They dont even have to be as powerful as a 2 hour ability to fill that role as a skill.

edit: and for game balance purposes they obviously shouldn't be as powerful as a 2 hour ability, looking as cool wont hurt though.

As a THM, the whole "Life and Death" thing, I would love to be able to dig up a massive flaming skull from the ground and hurl it into a NM every 2 hours.

What would be better is that if it has a set "1/100" chance of critical hitting, and instead of a massive flaming skull, a friggen skeletal wrym on fire would ride up and rain down destruction, doing double the damage as the flaming skull and at a larger range. It would also give everyone in the party a jetpack that allows them to defy gravity for 3 minutes.

Bitches love jetpacks.

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Originally Posted by Akumu

A tight spot that rarely happened and even then few were useful if you're party linked mobs they couldn't handle. Which most of the time that was the case if you were in a bind.

Something that takes as long as 2hrs to do needs to at least be worth waiting 2hrs for.

RDM however were great if he/she survived to raise the parties failed "2hr now!" shouts. Rarely did a party 2hr and everything worked perfect unless you had SAMs, PLD, and MAYBE MNK(if mnk had good acc).
WHM gave you that extra boost to live while running unless the mobs were already low on hp.

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What I'm trying to say is, give us 2 hours like the ones I mentioned earlier that are worth waiting 2 hours for. I don't want to have an "Oh crap" button available every 5 fights.

I call them "Ohshit" skills. And yes I'd like some.

Limit Breaks and Overdrives are what Weapon Skills are in XI and XIV

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Originally Posted by Xeno

What I'm trying to say is, give us 2 hours like the ones I mentioned earlier that are worth waiting 2 hours for. I don't want to have an "Oh crap" button available every 5 fights.

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I dunno, i dont like to have skills that i never use. Its like going through a FF game and i keep going "Oh i'll save those elixers till i need them" and then i finish the game with 14 and never used one.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...ooAwesomeToUse here its even a trope

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Originally Posted by Nephera

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...ooAwesomeToUse here its even a trope

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I agree with you and that article completely. Thats one reason the 2hr abilities became used just for fun since people found ways not to use them at all.

Bard two-hour was way too overpowered. I don't want to see stuff like that in this game.

(No Thanks!)
This game isn't XI, nor will it be or should it ever be XI. Something more original please. I don't want more of the same

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Originally Posted by Nephera

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...ooAwesomeToUse here its even a trope

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Honestly, I love having stuff like that in games. Once you finally use it you just sigh and say "awesome."

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Originally Posted by JayvirDeforte

(No Thanks!)
This game isn't XI, nor will it be or should it ever be XI. Something more original please. I don't want more of the same

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Not every little thing has to be original, having an "oh crap" card isn't trying to be the same as everyone else. Don't be a hipster =P

No thanks.

Having a 'ocrap' ability or whatever is one thing, but 'lets take more stuff from ffxi cause all we really want is ffxi with some new abilities some new zones old zones redone and better graphics.'

Don't need to do an ability on a 2 hour cool down. That is ridiculous.

How about instead of having an automatic win button every 2 hours, we have abilities that require skill or collaboration or something, and put them on a shorter cooldown too.

Also: don't 2 hour cooldowns just make fights even less strategic? After all, if people have the option of 2 hours, then game designers have to implement content which factor in the use of 2 hours abilities. This then means that the fights cannot be done efficiently without 2 hours, rendering any other strategies useless.

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

How about instead of having an automatic win button every 2 hours, we have abilities that require skill or collaboration or something, and put them on a shorter cooldown too.

Also: don't 2 hour cooldowns just make fights even less strategic? After all, if people have the option of 2 hours, then game designers have to implement content which factor in the use of 2 hours abilities. This then means that the fights cannot be done efficiently without 2 hours, rendering any other strategies useless.

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maybe heroic opportunities from eq2? or uh...lotro's thing that is basically the same...

is that what battle regimens are I've never ever used one.

I'll like to see a 2h abitity. Most of them on ffxi were pretty nice. And maybe a second tier of 2h when you reach rank 50.

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

How about instead of having an automatic win button every 2 hours, we have abilities that require skill or collaboration or something, and put them on a shorter cooldown too.

Also: don't 2 hour cooldowns just make fights even less strategic? After all, if people have the option of 2 hours, then game designers have to implement content which factor in the use of 2 hours abilities. This then means that the fights cannot be done efficiently without 2 hours, rendering any other strategies useless.

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Yes. What he said :)

If my 2 hour is A transformation into a raging demon beast that brings doom and destruction to its surroundings, one-shotting all foes for 10 mins then yes. If my 2 hour is a increase in attack for 10 seconds then NO!

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Originally Posted by Akumu

No. 2hr abilities(most) were for the most part useless. All were extremely underpowered for an ability that is on a 2hr cooldown. To actually have an ability thats on a 2hr cooldown and be worth it most would then say "Its too overpowered!"

I would prefer each job(when they are added) getting a 30min cd ability that is actually useful.

edit: They also lasted about 20 seconds? 30 at most for some jobs. It was a horrible way to implement an ability overall. In the end they just were used for brief fun every 2hrs.

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LOL at anyone attempting to say 2hr abilities are useless. Some are too disgustingly powerful in a way.

The whole reason for 2hr was the intent of the ace in the sleeve. Once you use it, it was gone, no coffee break was going to make it reappear.

Some BC battles tactics 100% relied on 2hr abilities. It really was the ace in a hole. That's why it's 2hrs!

If a 2hr ability was a 10 minute ability or a 1/2hr ability, then they wouldn't be very useful or they would have to make every fight more stronger, if they have to account for cheat abilities like that.

Well it's a design plan. I rather have it then not, it gives people a chance to turn hopeless situation into a winning situation.

I don't mind samurais busting out massive back to back damage, I don't mind redmages that can cast sleepga over and over to save their rears. I don't mind summoners doing 3 astro flows. Because it's 2hrs. If it works, congratulations, if it fails, too bad, no retries.

Battle script scenario writers don't need to take into account those abilities. It's kind of like "we want to make it challenging, but we'll throw a bone to anyone who's frustrated".

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Originally Posted by Maat

2hr abilities in XI were basically a special move that your job was given from the beginning. The benefits from the ability were so great that it took 2 hours before you could use it again. I am personally for a 2hr it wil help distinguish classes better. But I wanna know what every one thinks about it. So YES if you agree, and if NO explain why?

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The way the game is now the most challenging thing you'd possibly ever need a 2hr for would be trying to solo a leve thats way above your level on a rating of 2-5 stars. SE made this game too easy to need to rely on a "Oh shit" ability that has a 2hr cooldown.

With that said, no thanks! Unless ofcourse SE ups the difficulty then Yes please!

Some of them where useful others where crap, Dancer and Paladin where pretty useful to me in certain fights but it needs to less than two hours if they where introduced.

2 hour ability was something for ffxi, it fit and was designed to work with that battle/strategy/game. If you just take parts of FFXI and stick them to FFXIV it wont work.

"Cooler", more useful abilities are welcome. Game mechanics from an old game (that I loved when I played) is not welcome here...

I don't see why not.

FFXIV is still FFXI's sequel, so there's really no reason to avoid simply porting some defining features from one game to the other. You know, like in any sequel...

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

How about instead of having an automatic win button every 2 hours, we have abilities that require skill or collaboration or something, and put them on a shorter cooldown too.

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That's good, since no 2 hour ability has ever been an automatic win button. Ain't that great? :D

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Originally Posted by Abriael

I don't see why not.

FFXIV is still FFXI's sequel, so there's really no reason to avoid simply porting some defining features from one game to the other. You know, like in any sequel...



That's good, since no 2 hour ability has ever been an automatic win button. Ain't that great? :D

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If only, however they were adamant on making it different from XI instead of even a spiritual successor.

Topic itself:

2hrs were what actually defined certain jobs especially playing into certain tactics, e.g:

PLD's invincible
COR's wildcard
BRD's Soulvoice
DRK's Blood Weapon
SMN's Astral Flow (especially Odin/Alexander.)

and so on.

You can't make class uniqueness in a FF type of MMO without some kind trump card ability that can't be spammed. Even the "useless" ones had a use and were only seen as useless because people didn't understand how to put it into play, e.g PUP's overdrive.