Suggestion for future moogle tomestone events

The moogle tomestone events are honestly just one big grind.

I had a couple in my FC who were still in HW in the last one where the BF insisted on just farming everything before continuing msq, while the gf wanted to continue MSQ after farming the most important items. I've heard several other people mention how they just feel like they have to grind it out, even if it isn't fun just because they'd feel like they're missing out. (kinda like the pvp pass, but that's not relevant here)

So here's my suggestion for future Moogle Tomestone events.

Make it similar to khloe books, minus rerolls & second chance points. Have the moogle hand out a book once a week. can be a 4x4 or 5x5 grid. On it are the duties that are included in the event. (make these duties the same for everyone, so people can easily organize. this is a big flaw with the khloe book)
If you get a line woo you get a flat bonus of extra tomes! complete the whole book? even bigger bonus.

This would gamify the event, make it feel more interactive. It would turn it from a mindless grind to a more varied and weekly experience.
Of course people who want to just mindlessly grind, still should be able too.


PS: bring back the MGP option too. It's the only repeatable thing that long time players can get.

PPS: Wasnt sure where to put this, i'm hoping it'll find its place.

This time the event will last for around 1 1/2 months i don't think you don't need to grind it out in 2 days, there's plenty of time to get to the tomes naturally.

In short, you are asking that devs add a mooglestone prize in Wondrous Tails.
The moogle event is a lure to push experienced players to make content they normally avoid playing and as a result new players find group more easily.
Other than that the event gives something to do in a flat period.

If I can just do some expert / levelling roulette to acquire mooglestones the meaning of the event is lost.

Btw, I see platinum MGP card as reward for my W. tails card.

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Originally Posted by NailBach

This time the event will last for around 1 1/2 months i don't think you don't need to grind it out in 2 days, there's plenty of time to get to the tomes naturally.

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It's not about how long it's running, its about the mindset. This would make the event more enjoyable & feel less forced. You can set yourself a weekly fun goal, instead of a mindless far off grind.
And just to be clear, i've already got most of the items on the vendor.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Gyactus

In short, you are asking that devs add a mooglestone prize in Wondrous Tails.
The moogle event is a lure to push experienced players to make content they normally avoid playing and as a result new players find group more easily.
Other than that the event gives something to do in a flat period.

If I can just do some expert / levelling roulette to acquire mooglestones the meaning of the event is lost.

Btw, I see platinum MGP card as reward for my W. tails card.

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I've no idea where you got all of that from, but it certainly wasn't from my post. No, that's not what i'm suggesting at all.

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Originally Posted by NailBach

This time the event will last for around 1 1/2 months i don't think you don't need to grind it out in 2 days, there's plenty of time to get to the tomes naturally.

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Not to mention it's like... the only event that asks you to even play the game. Every other event is over in 10 minutes and generally just asks you to watch some cutscenes. I like that these events give people a reason to do things together again, and I wish we'd get them more often. There's also so much time to complete them that you could probably do 1 orbonne a day and have all the things you want by the time it's over.
That being said, I don't dislike OP's idea either. I think we should get it in addition to the moogle events. Like, there's so much downtime where nothing happens in this game and it's gross imo that the only noteworthy thing we have to tide us over is this.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

Not to mention it's like... the only event that asks you to even play the game. Every other event is over in 10 minutes and generally just asks you to watch some cutscenes. I like that these events give people a reason to do things together again, and I wish we'd get them more often.

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I agree. I hope we get more events that actually have us do things. They've been sorely lacking. Even the summer event didn't have us do the jumping puzzle at all.

I'm just saying the event could incentivise doing a variety of duties over farming p1n mindlessly. That's essentially all I'm suggesting. Not to disable mindless grinding just add a weekly incentive to do a variety

And you know maybe mention how long the event will go for. They only announce updates a few days to a week in advance sometimes. So people who don't know how predictable the schedule is tend to worry about it ending soon.

I get the feeling some people think that I'm a new player who has to grind a ton to get the rewards and I'm complaining to get it easier in future. That's not the case. The only items I needed were the framer kit and umbrella. I have all the rest already. I could mindlessly grind p1n for two hours and I'd be done. Instead I'm doing 70 80 alliance raids with friends cause that's more enjoyable I just sincerely think the event would be more enjoyable if it had an incentive to do variety of duties.

Adding mgp reward back in to the event would also give more longevity to it. And more motivation for veterans.

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Originally Posted by Straticus

I've no idea where you got all of that from, but it certainly wasn't from my post. No, that's not what i'm suggesting at all.

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I'l try to make my answer more easy to understand:

Why SE has to create another wondrous tails WHEN there is a wondrous tails ingame, AND what SE needs to do is to remove "titan extreme" or "expert roulette", and make a "wondrous tails Special edition with moogletomes as bonus"?

And now the question: during moogle treasure trove do you play EVERY raid or PVP once?

Grinding out the whole prize list in the first few hours of the event is purely a player psychology thing. There is absolutely nothing that is forcing anyone to do it at a rush or organise dedicated parties to run "the most efficient duty" into the ground.

Play as normal, do the roulettes that get you into relevant content, or queue for duties that drop other things you need. Grind for tomes at the end of the period if you still need them.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Grinding out the whole prize list in the first few hours of the event is purely a player psychology thing. There is absolutely nothing that is forcing anyone to do it at a rush or organise dedicated parties to run "the most efficient duty" into the ground.

Play as normal, do the roulettes that get you into relevant content, or queue for duties that drop other things you need. Grind for tomes at the end of the period if you still need them.

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and how does incentivising variety harm anything? Grinding everything at the end is also a horrible idea given that they only announce a few days in advance.

Feels to me like a lot of you are just against any changes just for the sake of being against it.

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Originally Posted by Straticus

and how does incentivising variety harm anything? Grinding everything at the end is also a horrible idea given that they only announce a few days in advance.

Feels to me like a lot of you are just against any changes just for the sake of being against it.

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This event is running for a month and a half why should they slow it down? The point. The dungeon queues are now moving along. Why slow people down? There is no point. Wonderous tails already exists. People would then scream about how they are reusing asset's instead of having it's own event. It's not a bad idea but it's not necessary.

Yeah no, this event is supposed to be a bit grindy if you want to rush through it and get all the rewards. You don't have to do that though, considering how long it lasts. You have enough time to casually do MSQ roulette + a few others and probably end up having everything by the time it finishes.

WT: MogTome edition isn't going to change it. Also the requirements for this would have to be the same as the requirements for any tome duties. No freebies by going in unsync'd and doing the half the book in 5 minutes. This version shouldn't cater to someone on a MSQ grind either so I don't see how it would help them.

I'm all for innovating and making the game respect your time more but to me this isn't going to improve the situation. Actually, it'd probably make it worse. Your friends going through the MSQ will go from being able to shrug off the wide variety of duties that give tomes in favor of the MSQ to feeling like they have to stop and do their once a week tome book. Actually, the more I think about this the more I'm convinced that this is a veteran posting in bad faith because they want more.

Everything else except the first two rewards (100+10 tomes) is available in game through other means. Nobody is missing out and nobody needs to grind non stop.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Everything else except the first two rewards (100+10 tomes) is available in game through other means. Nobody is missing out and nobody needs to grind non stop.

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Nobody needs to, but that's entirely up to them. Personally, I'm gonna get my tomes through roulettes. I should get more than enough for what I need before the next patch.

Give people an ilm and they'll optimize the fun out of everything.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Everything else except the first two rewards (100+10 tomes) is available in game through other means. Nobody is missing out and nobody needs to grind non stop.

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This. A little clarity on which items are exclusive to the event would go a long ways in helping people decide between grinding out mogtomes versus something else.

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Originally Posted by Straticus

and how does incentivising variety harm anything? Grinding everything at the end is also a horrible idea given that they only announce a few days in advance.

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I'm really not sure how you got that out of my post.

Read again. I'm saying people shouldn't grind the event to death, and that they should get variety by earning times through daily roulettes (which exist now). Nothing about the event is built to require intense grinding immediately.

It's the players who choose to treat the thing like a sprint when it could be an easy month-long jog.

And no, the end of the event is not unpredictable. We have an approximate guess for the release date (early October) and the amount required to grind at the end should be very little, exactly because you can have earned a whole lot along the way through daily activities and while pursuing other game goals like content completion or glamour collection.

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Originally Posted by NailBach

This time the event will last for around 1 1/2 months i don't think you don't need to grind it out in 2 days, there's plenty of time to get to the tomes naturally.

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1 and half? I think I missed the memo... the moogle event will last after patch 6.5 or is that it's going to land around mid-October instead?

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Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu

This. A little clarity on which items are exclusive to the event would go a long ways in helping people decide between grinding out mogtomes versus something else.

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"Show Only Recently added items" tells you which are the new exclusive to this round of Mogtomes - aka shows just the parasol and framer kit. Now technically the Taoist Moogle, Job Mastery prisms, and other 1 tomestone earrings are unable to collect via alternative methods outside of mogtome events- but they are the repeat items.

Eh, people were complaining that EW didn't have enough grind so here you go.

My suggestion is to have under lvl 50 quests give tomes for those who haven’t beat ARR yet.

these types of grinds are just silly, they should make it so doing any roulette gives a flat bonus of 15 moogle tomes allowing you to farm whichever roulette you prefer same with how the current relic weapons

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Originally Posted by ryouma17

these types of grinds are just silly, they should make it so doing any roulette gives a flat bonus of 15 moogle tomes allowing you to farm whichever roulette you prefer same with how the current relic weapons

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Expanding on this idea, maybe they could add a Moogle roulette with all the instances that give tomestones, with a set amount given when you queue up. They'd probably keep it a once a day thing, but it would still be a nice, guaranteed daily boost.

The list is so much larger than normal?! It's not just endless runs of Orbonne Monastery...well it still will be but that's just personal preference, I like to get these as fast as possible... So I tend to run the ones that drop 10-14 tomes.

The only thing I would really like is if they added some open world or crafter/gatherer options. So maybe fates give 1 tomestone. Or a moogle that accepts collectibles and gives an appropriate amount, could use the ishgard restoration area. Or if they are feeling energetic they could have a moogle themed instance where we gather and get stuff and have a moogle crafting tab.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Expanding on this idea, maybe they could add a Moogle roulette with all the instances that give tomestones, with a set amount given when you queue up.

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Alliance roulette is effectively that right now, but with weighted prizes making it worthwhile for you to be eligible for the highest raids.

An all-in "moogle roulette" would have to either lock out low-level players or risk turning into Crystal Tower roulette again.

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Originally Posted by Moonlite

The only thing I would really like is if they added some open world or crafter/gatherer options. So maybe fates give 1 tomestone. Or a moogle that accepts collectibles and gives an appropriate amount, could use the ishgard restoration area. Or if they are feeling energetic they could have a moogle themed instance where we gather and get stuff and have a moogle crafting tab.

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That would actually be pretty cool. Would make a change, giving an option to DoH/L.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

Not to mention it's like... the only event that asks you to even play the game. Every other event is over in 10 minutes and generally just asks you to watch some cutscenes. I like that these events give people a reason to do things together again, and I wish we'd get them more often. There's also so much time to complete them that you could probably do 1 orbonne a day and have all the things you want by the time it's over.
That being said, I don't dislike OP's idea either. I think we should get it in addition to the moogle events. Like, there's so much downtime where nothing happens in this game and it's gross imo that the only noteworthy thing we have to tide us over is this.

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100% agree. It's nice to have an event that is ongoing, where you don't just do one quest and that's it. You're encouraged to keep participating and keep playing. Too many of the holiday events are just "Do the quest, then that's it. Congrats, you finished the holiday." There's literally nothing else going on. Even the ones that include a FATE or a special instanced content, there's usually no reason to do it more than once or twice.

How about something like the Fete events in the Firmament? Have a few non-combat fetes that happen at set times in the cities, where players congregate and play together? That's what a holiday or a festival should be like, not a solo questline with cutscenes where you ignore everyone else.

I also like the idea of a Wondrous Tails revamp. The general concept is good, but I'm not thrilled with the RNG aspect of it -- especially locking things behind the "Gold" ticket which is virtually impossible to get. Silver is certainly doable, I have some of those. But the thing is, I don't even like the prizes very much either. A few of them are actually good, depending on your taste, but then you have some not-so-great armor sets, some minions that you can easily just buy off the market board, and clusters to trade for materia..?

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Everything else except the first two rewards (100+10 tomes) is available in game through other means. Nobody is missing out and nobody needs to grind non stop.

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^ This. Do your research, and find out where these rewards actually come from, and if you think you can get them the normal way. A few of them I think you can even just buy from the market board.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Alliance roulette is effectively that right now, but with weighted prizes making it worthwhile for you to be eligible for the highest raids.

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I do Alliance Raid roulette pretty much every day for fun anyway. By the end of this event, I'll probably have an insane amount of moogle tomestones from that alone. Even if I am cursed and get Crystal Tower in my roulette every single day for the entire month of September, I'm still coming out with 180 tomestones without any extra effort or grinding.

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Originally Posted by Moonlite

The only thing I would really like is if they added some open world or crafter/gatherer options. So maybe fates give 1 tomestone. Or a moogle that accepts collectibles and gives an appropriate amount, could use the ishgard restoration area. Or if they are feeling energetic they could have a moogle themed instance where we gather and get stuff and have a moogle crafting tab.

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Brilliant! Where are the moogle tomes for crafters and gatherers? It might get more players to look into these jobs more and try something they normally wouldn't.
Heck, now that I think on it, even if we can stick to battle content, what about a more personalized version of the "Role in Need" system for duties... sort of like a "Role You Haven't Played in a While," where you get a prize for playing a job or role you've not done much lately?

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

I do Alliance Raid roulette pretty much every day for fun anyway. By the end of this event, I'll probably have an insane amount of moogle tomestones from that alone. Even if I am cursed and get Crystal Tower in my roulette every single day for the entire month of September, I'm still coming out with 180 tomestones without any extra effort or grinding.

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Prettymuch this, yeah. And doing levelling roulette with a high-level character will have a chance of dropping you in Endwalker dungeons (8 tomes each) and raid roulette can put you in Pandæmonium. There are lots of ways that people will end up earning a stack of tomes passively over the month or so that the event is running, so it's better to do a few weeks of those activities first and then assess how many more you need.

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Originally Posted by NailBach

This time the event will last for around 1 1/2 months i don't think you don't need to grind it out in 2 days, there's plenty of time to get to the tomes naturally.

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How do you know it will be that long? I havent seen anything on it I assumed the usual 2-3 weeks

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Originally Posted by Myrany

How do you know it will be that long? I havent seen anything on it I assumed the usual 2-3 weeks

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The event lasts until the launch of Patch 6.5, and while we don't have an exact date for that it's scheduled to be released in "early October."

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

The event lasts until the launch of Patch 6.5, and while we don't have an exact date for that it's scheduled to be released in "early October."

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ty that helps me a ton. I can slow down a bit and still get everything I want.

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Originally Posted by Myrany

How do you know it will be that long? I havent seen anything on it I assumed the usual 2-3 weeks

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It will last until the release of Patch 6.5, which should be in early October.

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Originally Posted by Myrany

How do you know it will be that long? I havent seen anything on it I assumed the usual 2-3 weeks

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Dont think mogtome event has ever been that short, its usually up for a month or 2 during the patch lull, seasonal events are the short ones...

i just want this. too hot?

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Create special treasure maps that drop from FATEs to get people exploring the respective zone it dropped in. All solo-friendly options that can include anything from the treasure map pools based on level range. In rare cases, a special area can be found that rewards an extra set of tomes and items that drop from older events, including older tomes. Add some items that can replenish rested EXP or even give a % of your current TNL outright. Chests to acquire relics at various steps. Consumables to make any item glowy, even.

Otherwise, I wouldn't even say recreating a Khloe book is needed so much as just making an event Challenge Log for the duration. Doesn't need to be hyper-specific. Just do "stuff" that is playing the game. Events really shouldn't be shy about giving players things.