No, I will not use third party tools, the devs cleared the fight without them.

and no, I will not join comms, the devs cleared without discord. If your pf says discord required, you are getting an instant report.
no, I will not watch a hector guide before joining, the fights are designed to be cleared blind.

No, I will not use hallowed ground/holmgang/living dead/superbolide, the devs cleared without using invuln.
No, I will not use arms length/surecast, the devs cleared without antikb.
No, I will not pentameld my gear, the devs cleared without pentamelding.
No, I will not buy tome gear, the devs cleared with min ilvl.
No I will not use markers or waymarks, the devs cleared without markers, especially not illegal ones.
No, I will not use grade 7 tinctures tinctures, the devs cleared with grade 5 tinctures.

And no, I will not use the english client, I will not talk in english, french or german, the devs cleared with the japanese client and talked in japanese.

okay

/10char

Make sure to not deal damage if you're a healer either. The devs said they didn't rely on healer damage to clear a fight!

There are no third party tools. Just betas for stuff the devs are going to add in the future. All perfectly okay to use.

thanks for sharing, we definitely asked and care

Guys. Read the post. It's satire.

OP are you ok? Are you salty because you got caught with 3rd party addons or something?

Thank you. I'm laughing right now.

But what WILL you do?

I need to know. What provoked this?

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I need to know. What provoked this?

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so there was a billboard and you guys promised me that the billboard fc were going to go to prison for copyright infringement and using datamined assets
it's been months and nothing happened to the owners of the billboard
I'm salty because I was promised they were going to prison but now they're free to play the game as if nothing happened

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no, I will not watch a hector guide before joining, the fights are designed to be cleared blind.

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https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/adgQVbQ_460s.jpg

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so there was a billboard and you guys promised me that the billboard fc were going to go to prison for copyright infringement and using datamined assets
it's been months and nothing happened to the owners of the billboard
I'm salty because I was promised they were going to prison but now they're free to play the game as if nothing happened

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For anyone wondering: the only problem with those billboards was the usage of datamined content. Apperently the FC managed to take down all the billboards so fast that the legal team at SE couldnt even say "cease and desist letter" so there was nothing left for them to do.

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For anyone wondering: the only problem with those billboards was the usage of datamined content. Apperently the FC managed to take down all the billboards so fast that the legal team at SE couldnt even say "cease and desist letter" so there was nothing left for them to do.

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Also blatant use of mods which pissed off a lot of the modding community (such as the poses, props and bodies).

But yeah, we kinda policed them for Square since it was such a moronic thing to do.

But devs use godmode to clear...

No, I will not use pants, the devs clearly intended us to fight without them.

So you will do nothing. Why any one need you?

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thanks for sharing, we definitely asked and care

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This tbh lol

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and no, I will not join comms, the devs cleared without discord. If your pf says discord required, you are getting an instant report.
no, I will not watch a hector guide before joining, the fights are designed to be cleared blind.

No, I will not use hallowed ground/holmgang/living dead/superbolide, the devs cleared without using invuln.
No, I will not use arms length/surecast, the devs cleared without antikb.
No, I will not pentameld my gear, the devs cleared without pentamelding.
No, I will not buy tome gear, the devs cleared with min ilvl.
No I will not use markers or waymarks, the devs cleared without markers, especially not illegal ones.
No, I will not use grade 7 tinctures tinctures, the devs cleared with grade 5 tinctures.

And no, I will not use the english client, I will not talk in english, french or german, the devs cleared with the japanese client and talked in japanese.

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Cool. Why do you need to let the whole world know about this again?

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Cool. Why do you need to let the whole world know about this again?

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Because if you looked closely, you'd realize that they're joking.

Not using invulns? Not using Arm's Length? Not using Waymarks? Not using Materia or getting tomes? Playing only on JP?

...guys, you're falling for lv 1 bait.

It's literally Lugworm and you're flocking to it like Merlthor Goby.

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Also blatant use of mods which pissed off a lot of the modding community (such as the poses, props and bodies).

But yeah, we kinda policed them for Square since it was such a moronic thing to do.

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I too love a good witch burning! No wonder SE's lawyers don't have to do much, the community is the distilled version of that kid that goes "Teacher, you forgot to give us homework!" lmao

Final Fantasy XIV is a “mod game” now. Just like Skyrim and Minecraft, modding is a core staple of the FFXIV community. It gives us something to do during “droughts”. Many people deeply love and cherish the FFXIV modding community, and likely wouldn’t play otherwise. Combat mods, reskins, even unlocking store outfits for free—and you can share all of it with your friends! Yoshida already said he’s not doing anything to police mods anymore. And we agree with him: you, reading this right now, probably agree that mods and add-ons are acceptable.

So back to the matter at hand: Cactpot. It’s the exact same as Discord call-outs, which are almost universally required by NA parties. So why not Cactpot? Don’t have a PC? Well, what if you didn’t have a phone to use Discord with? Not a good excuse. We can all agree that call-out are good, and Cactpot just gives us a machine version.

So, the question is: is it okay for parties to mandate Cactpot? I say yes. And if you’ve agreed with me so far, there’s no logical reason why you wouldn’t agree here.

DBM yesterday, Cactpot today.

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Final Fantasy XIV is a “mod game” now. Just like Skyrim and Minecraft, modding is a core staple of the FFXIV community. It gives us something to do during “droughts”. Many people deeply love and cherish the FFXIV modding community, and likely wouldn’t play otherwise. Combat mods, reskins, even unlocking store outfits for free—and you can share all of it with your friends! Yoshida already said he’s not doing anything to police mods anymore. And we agree with him: you, reading this right now, probably agree that mods and add-ons are acceptable.

So back to the matter at hand: Cactpot. It’s the exact same as Discord call-outs, which are almost universally required by NA parties. So why not Cactpot? Don’t have a PC? Well, what if you didn’t have a phone to use Discord with? Not a good excuse. We can all agree that call-out are good, and Cactpot just gives us a machine version.

So, the question is: is it okay for parties to mandate Cactpot? I say yes. And if you’ve agreed with me so far, there’s no logical reason why you wouldn’t agree here.

DBM yesterday, Cactpot today.

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Funny enough XI is a mod game as well to the point you had devs going "I know people use windower, but don't use it!" and then going to vanafest with Windower and key mods installed on all of the computers for the event. SE is funny like that, lol.

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thanks for sharing, we definitely asked and care

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This, but unironically. Best OP I've seen from the English forums in ages!

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No, I will not use pants, the devs clearly intended us to fight without them.

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Bard...Play me Sisqo - Thong song.

No I will not get out of your house, the devs wanted neighbourhoods and Im your permanent annoying neighbour that auto-invites herself for coffee. Or tea, Im not picky. But have some cake on hand otherwise this is just rude.

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No, I will not use pants, the devs clearly intended us to fight without them.

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Sounds like you are a Wallace from WoW - A gnome who refused wearing shoes.
It was quirky to play like that, until eventually the community decided it was not and shunned it.

Just like here right now folks with lacking the job stones at 40+.

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Final Fantasy XIV is a “mod game” now. Just like Skyrim and Minecraft, modding is a core staple of the FFXIV community. It gives us something to do during “droughts”. Many people deeply love and cherish the FFXIV modding community, and likely wouldn’t play otherwise. Combat mods, reskins, even unlocking store outfits for free—and you can share all of it with your friends! Yoshida already said he’s not doing anything to police mods anymore. And we agree with him: you, reading this right now, probably agree that mods and add-ons are acceptable.

So back to the matter at hand: Cactpot. It’s the exact same as Discord call-outs, which are almost universally required by NA parties. So why not Cactpot? Don’t have a PC? Well, what if you didn’t have a phone to use Discord with? Not a good excuse. We can all agree that call-out are good, and Cactpot just gives us a machine version.

So, the question is: is it okay for parties to mandate Cactpot? I say yes. And if you’ve agreed with me so far, there’s no logical reason why you wouldn’t agree here.

DBM yesterday, Cactpot today.

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The only real difference is that a good shot caller is correct most of the time. Cactbot is literally never wrong.

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No I will not get out of your house, the devs wanted neighbourhoods and Im your permanent annoying neighbour that auto-invites herself for coffee. Or tea, Im not picky. But have some cake on hand otherwise this is just rude.

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I don't think I even have a table to sit at in my apartment so we're gonna have to sit on the floor to eat this cake...with all the Bokos.

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I don't think I even have a table to sit at in my apartment so we're gonna have to sit on the floor to eat this cake...with all the Bokos.

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The company and cake is all that matters

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The only real difference is that a good shot caller is correct most of the time. Cactbot is literally never wrong.

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...what
the expectation for each player is to have the same amount of knowledge as a world first race raider
this is why you get kicked from party finders if you don't know the strat used in the world first
this is why you have to read a hector guide before joining a pf
this is why you need to use invuln and antikb even though they are not required to clear the raid
this is why you need to pentameld, use grade 7 tinctures and use the premade set of waymarks even if they were made illegally.

if this level of knowledge is expected of your average player, then a perfect shotcaller akin to what you get from a hardcore world first raid group is not unreasonable.

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Cactpot. It’s the exact same as Discord call-outs, which are almost universally required by NA parties. So why not Cactpot? Don’t have a PC? Well, what if you didn’t have a phone to use Discord with? Not a good excuse. We can all agree that call-out are good, and Cactpot just gives us a machine version.

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No, it absolutely is not.

Cactbot has a near 0ms reaction time to mechanics.
Cactbot can view information unavailable to the human client and solve some mechanics well before they are visible to the client.
Cactbot can make 8 individual callouts to 8 different people simultaneously.
Cactbot doesn't make mistakes.
Edit: I forgot cactbot also displays a visual timeline of all upcoming mechanics on your screen as well lmao.

Shotcalling is a skill that a member of your team needs to manually train and develop. Do you think it would make sense for a soccer team to have a perfect robot goalie just because "it's the same as having a really good goalie"?

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So, the question is: is it okay for parties to mandate Cactpot? I say yes. And if you’ve agreed with me so far, there’s no logical reason why you wouldn’t agree here.

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lmao, by who's completely arbitrary standard? Mandating a third party tool is absolutely against the ToS as defined by the company that owns and operates the game, and they can suspend your account permanently for doing so.

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DBM yesterday, Cactpot today.

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Blizzard officially supports addons. Square Enix doesn't.

If you had a chess tournament that allowed you to use a chess computer, it would be okay. However, It would not be okay to use a chess computer at a tournament that explicitly prohibits their use.

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Cactbot has a near 0ms reaction time to mechanics.

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A small difference in the grand scheme of things, given that you have at least three seconds to make decisions in content.

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So does the diagram on my other monitor.

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Mandating a third party tool is absolutely against the ToS as defined by the company that owns and operates the game, and they can suspend your account permanently for doing so.

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So explain why FFXIV has a far more extensive modding and add-on culture compared to other online games. Explain why one can mandate Discord but not Cactpot. Cactpot is already far more widespread than you think and it's only getting more pervasive. Yoshida himself said he refuses to crackdown on add-ons.

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A policy without enforcement is merely a suggestion. As a result, add-on culture is widely popular in FFXIV in 2022 and will continue to explode in popularity as this game gets older. The slippery slope is more like a cliff and we've already fallen off.

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A small difference in the grand scheme of things, given that you have at least three seconds to make decisions in content.

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Cactbot expands the time you have to make decisions in some circumstances, up to effectively doubling or even tripling that time because of what I explain below.

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So does the diagram on my other monitor.

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That's not at all what I'm talking about.

Boss Abilities have unique IDs that are sent to the client as the fight progresses. Let's say in P8S for example, his snake form has an ID of "SNKAE" and his dog form has an ID of "DGO". Because Cactbot is intercepting and decoding network traffic, it can parse these IDs at the earliest stage they are available. In the case of P8S, this means that the MOMENT the castbar for the ability begins (which itself does not indicate which form the boss is going to take), Cactbot is able to tell you which form the boss is taking and how you need to react, despite the actual telegraph for the ability starting like 5 second later at the earliest and requiring you to recognize an animation. There are MANY other mechanics that are like this, and arguing that this doesn't give advantage is absurd.

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So explain why FFXIV has a far more extensive modding and add-on culture compared to other online games. Explain why one can mandate Discord but not Cactpot. Cactpot is already far more widespread than you think and it's only getting more pervasive. Yoshida himself said he refuses to crackdown on add-ons.

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Yoshida doesn't want to have to put invasive anti-cheat into the game that actively detects mods. Posting mods in public, in a way that is linkable to your character, has gotten people banned in cases where others chose to report them. I personally know of people who have been banned for having Cactbot and ACT running on stream with their character name exposed.

Discord can be mandated because it doesn't invasively intercept and decode network packets, or read from the games memory.

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A policy without enforcement is merely a suggestion. As a result, add-on culture is widely popular in FFXIV in 2022 and will continue to explode in popularity as this game gets older. The slippery slope is more like a cliff and we've already fallen off.

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The policy is enforced, and at any time we could experience a more severe and widespread crackdown. SE seems largely detached from the Western fanbase at the moment, but there are potentially major IP related issues with some of these mods that may end up forcing SEs hand. There are a lot of mod makers who are actively raking in thousands of dollars porting assets from other games, including those from other Japanese developers, and I highly doubt SE would be fine with that if they understood what was actually going on.

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Sassy...you are always so sweet.

THAT'S ILLEGAL...

at least on the forums.

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P3s would like to disagree.

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P3s would like to disagree.

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Don't you mean its younger brother P5S? :p

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Don't you mean its younger brother P5S? :p

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How can you fool cactbotters on P5s?

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Guys. Read the post. It's satire.

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I did. And don’t see anything that relates that. No /s. So

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...what
the expectation for each player is to have the same amount of knowledge as a world first race raider
this is why you get kicked from party finders if you don't know the strat used in the world first
this is why you have to read a hector guide before joining a pf
this is why you need to use invuln and antikb even though they are not required to clear the raid
this is why you need to pentameld, use grade 7 tinctures and use the premade set of waymarks even if they were made illegally.

if this level of knowledge is expected of your average player, then a perfect shotcaller akin to what you get from a hardcore world first raid group is not unreasonable.

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It's fine, the waymarks got legalized. You may now smoke them.