Locked content for Paying customers.

Greetings Fellow Warriors of Light!

I am a relatively new player about 16 months in. The system for acquiring a house is difficult to say the least. There simply isn't a guaranteed way to acquire one. That is a problem for everyone who pays money to play this game. Most items in the game outside of event are achievable by anyone who puts in the time. In addition, crossbreeding is locked to houses only. Quest rewards offer outdoor housing for anyone in the game yet we cannot use them (I have 4 items on my retainer).

To be clear I understand technical issues with assets being loaded in when the server is up. Please do not mention it. if you wish to engage lets talk solutions.

The one I came up with is instanced housing and not loaded up the server. The first instance "house" would be an apartment for the normal price. then one could "upgrade" to a cottage, so on and so forth all the way up to mansion. This would also work as the island sanctuaries in the way that your friends can visit.

To me this seems like a solution that allows anyone(paying customers) to access this part of the game in its entirety.

What do you think?

From what I remember of your post history, you believe everything related to housing is 'locked content'. I think the dead horse really, truly is dead this round of beatings. And, formatted in this very same wording.

Seems simple to me, honestly.

If the end-all, be-all of FFXIV for a person is owning a house, and they've been unable to purchase one, then FFXIV really isn't the game for that person. Housing is a feature of this game, one of hundreds, and hinging an entire gaming experience on one feature doesn't make much sense. Sure, anyone is welcome to hinge their entire experience on housing; that's their prerogative. But to continue banging one's head against the wall because of one feature... seems counter-productive to one's leisure activities.

So, either:

- You want housing so much that your FFXIV play sessions without a house are dissatisfying. Answer: Quit this game and pick a different one where you can easily get housing; or
- You don't want housing enough to stop you from enjoying other aspects of FFXIV. Answer: Keep playing FFXIV, enter housing lotteries (or don't) and stop worrying about housing.

When you keep playing a game that doesn't make you happy, or you can only hyper-focus on problems, then we're edging into addiction territory. You should be able to just stop or change activities that bring you frustration. When we humans cannot do that, it's an indicator we need help with our problems that we cannot provide ourselves.

/shrug

I will agree that housing is the most poorly implemented marketed feature in the game. The good news is that the rest of the game is pretty great. However, if you want a fulfilling experience where you get the house size and location you desire, this game will not deliver.

At this point, I'm out of fucks to give in regards to housing. While I still want a better house in-game, the past half year has taught me that's not going to happen. Oh well, you move on.

As a fc owner and personal house owner, you’re not missing a lot.

Going to save you time and headache. Any solution you can think of has already been thought of and discussed..

Instanced houses should be an alternative to ward houses, not an upgrade for apartments. That way, players must weigh the pros and cons of each choice instead of just taking both.

But I wouldn't hold my breath for any change to the housing sytem. New servers have been added to Europe, and new datacenters are being planned for Europe and NA. The housing on those new servers will probably have to fill up before we can even hope for SE to implement instanced houses (if ever).

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Originally Posted by Belor

Greetings Fellow Warriors of Light!

I am a relatively new player about 16 months in. The system for acquiring a house is difficult to say the least. There simply isn't a guaranteed way to acquire one. That is a problem for everyone who pays money to play this game. Most items in the game outside of event are achievable by anyone who puts in the time. In addition, crossbreeding is locked to houses only. Quest rewards offer outdoor housing for anyone in the game yet we cannot use them (I have 4 items on my retainer).

To be clear I understand technical issues with assets being loaded in when the server is up. Please do not mention it. if you wish to engage lets talk solutions.

The one I came up with is instanced housing and not loaded up the server. The first instance "house" would be an apartment for the normal price. then one could "upgrade" to a cottage, so on and so forth all the way up to mansion. This would also work as the island sanctuaries in the way that your friends can visit.

To me this seems like a solution that allows anyone(paying customers) to access this part of the game in its entirety.

What do you think?

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I think many other players have beat you to suggesting that same solution in these very same forums over the last several years. You're not really adding anything new to the ongoing discussion.

At least for the time being, SE seems to have no plans to change the housing system. Island Sanctuary has shown that SE is capable of doing some things that a few opponents have said aren't possible as their argument for why a better instanced housing can't happen. Perhaps it's a stepping stone to an improved instanced housing system, perhaps not

Personally, I can't believe that SE is not at least discussing the situation considering they're trying to take advantage of the recent momentum that's bringing new players to the game. Good housing can be a real draw, especially for those coming from MMOs that never added it. Right now, the limit on the number of plots per world is one of the major issues holding the system back from being truly good housing.

Until such time as SE chooses to implement changes that improve the system for all players, we'll need to look toward the ways SE is adding additional houses. Right now, it's via the addition of new worlds to the game. There are plenty of houses left on the new worlds added already this year to OCE and EU. Hopefully we're still getting the new NA data center and worlds in November. That will be an additional 28,800 plots for NA players who are willing to transfer to the new worlds, and some of those players will be leaving their current houses behind which will make a small number of houses available to those not interested in transferring. An additional 28,800 plots will be coming at such time as SE is able to add the final 4 worlds to the new data center (originally was going to be spring-summer 2023).

re: crossbreeding - honestly, find a friend with a house that will add you as tenant to use their garden. It's not the magic solution to onion prices that many like to believe.

Clicks on topic in "new"... is this about housing again? Yep topic #209324 about housing. We need all those!

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As a fc owner and personal house owner, you’re not missing a lot.

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He is missing A LOT. ... As in a place

My char sleeps under a bridge :'( #iHaveNoHouseAswell #wishMeLuckForNextLottery

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Originally Posted by BRVV

Clicks on topic in "new"... is this about housing again? Yep topic #209324 about housing. We need all those!



He is missing A LOT. ... As in a place

My char sleeps under a bridge :'( #iHaveNoHouseAswell #wishMeLuckForNextLottery

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Apartment is an option or FC room.
Or simply move to a less populated server.

What I can see, you're in EU. Sagittarius has more free houses than acquired ones.

Its tough to solve but, the warriors of light/ Icon slayers...CAN DO ANYTHING!!:cool:

At the end of the day I'm paying for a game and no matter what I do it is completely based on random chance if I will personally ever have access that other players have access to. It does not matter what the thing is that I am being barred from, it the the concept itself.

Person A pays $15/mo and has access. :D Person B pays $15/mo has no access. :(

That concept is exactly why I play games like FFXIV and not mobile random chance loot box games. I want to know that my time and effort will pay off in the end. That I can earn anything with hard work and determination. This also seems like a theme that many NPC's in the game espouse as well btw so it is something that the inhabitants of the source and its reflections also believe.

All that being said I would be willing to bet the rest of the money I make for the year on the fact that SE is probably working on a solution but, they will only keep working on that solution if a demand exists to do so. If we all sit back and ignore the issue they will as well. In addition to all of that I am confident they will not make a peep about it until they have a system that works as the mere mention of a revamp will set this issue ablaze with controversy yet again.

When they fix it though, as I suspect it will be instanced, they will have to deal with all the other people who won lotteries and clicked on placards for 72 hours straight. I would agree with those players that they did put in some hard work but they had to ignore all other aspects of the game to get it. They sacrificed and now that sacrifice will be taken from them. I sympathize with them but the reality is the homeless outnumber those with homes and doing nothing is not a solution.

So for now we wait, we hope, and pray our trust in those in power is not destroyed.

See you at the next Placard...:p

Housing is dogshit, people who defend it are delusional, and square enix doesn't care.

Honestly if it bothers you so much, you should quit. Squeenix does not care about this issue at all, they dont even view it as an issue or acknowledge it in any way.

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What Icon are you slaying? Do you mean EIKON?
If you're really up and arms about being locked out, move server or get an appartment. You'll get access to the workshop and airships soon enough anyway if Yoshida interview is to be believed.
But like said before, you're not really missing out on anything. I'd just sell my houses if it wasn't against TOS.

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Originally Posted by Greyhawk

From what I remember of your post history, you believe everything related to housing is 'locked content'. I think the dead horse really, truly is dead this round of beatings. And, formatted in this very same wording.

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You are correct that I have only posted twice on the forums about the same issue. if you read the other post you would see the differences between the two and how I have added to it. Have a nice day

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From what I remember of your post history, you believe everything related to housing is 'locked content'. I think the dead horse really, truly is dead this round of beatings. And, formatted in this very same wording.

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I supposed your right to a point. If I'm in a relationship that is 99.9% awesome but has one thing that makes me frustrated.... I am faced with a lot of options. One is quitting the activity in question as you pointed out.

I could post quotes from lots of people like from the bible about having the wisdom to know the difference and such or other wise people but that isn't helping..... but I will give one anyway. Ignorance is bliss. If I was truly unaware of the housing system in all its aspects I would be happy with the game exactly as it is 100%. Fix this and its a perfect game for me.

I would like to say that the premise that housing is one of hundreds of unique things in the game that can totally be ignored is not entirely true. There are quests that giving housing items as rewards. As such quests and housing items are connected. Housing items are available for purchase in the Mogstation. Other players and whole zones are full of other players using said housing items they received through the quests and mogstation purchases. Im confident that if i spent more time on this thought I would find more connections.

"When you keep playing a game that doesn't make you happy, or you can only hyper-focus on problems, then we're edging into addiction territory"

Doing something over and over and expecting a different result is insanity.

"hyper-focus" has a negative connotation and insinuates that the person is childish ( this was further demonstrated by another stating "don't you have something better to do with your life?". I have never heard of anyone being cheered on for being hyper-focused on anything but a laser focus is always good for some reason even though the amount of focus is identical.

It seems that you are suggesting that we have no power and as such we just have to accept everything the way it is and if we don't like it we always just walk away or shrug and ignore it and if your frustrated at any point then YOU are the problem and we are not allowed to vent frustration in the spot designated to do so.

In my house I have a saying that I do with my kids.

I say " Life is What?"
they say " Not fair"

The reason we play video games or games at all is because the premise is that this is supposed to be fair. That the only barrier is our time and effort or lack there of. We do it to escape the "not fair" of real life and when you hit a wall like this its breaks the immersion and reminds you of real life.

/shrug

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( this was further demonstrated by another stating "don't you have something better to do with your life?".

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I agree, Almagus is a childish person.

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But like said before, you're not really missing out on anything. I'd just sell my houses if it wasn't against TOS.

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You could just relinquish them and be done with the system if you think so little of it. That would give at least a few other players a chance to enter the system and make their own decision.

Also, selling for gil isn't against ToS. What's against ToS is selling for real money, or purchasing with the intent to resell (whether for gil or real money). You could resell for the same price you paid in the first place.\

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Originally Posted by Belor

In my house I have a saying that I do with my kids.

I say " Life is What?"
they say " Not fair"

The reason we play video games or games at all is because the premise is that this is supposed to be fair. That the only barrier is our time and effort or lack there of. We do it to escape the "not fair" of real life and when you hit a wall like this its breaks the immersion and reminds you of real life.

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You have a solution. It just seems you choose not to take it. Move server, or make an alt on a server with housing.

If you see an opportunity to get this "locked out content" but don't take it, whose fault is it?

Is it ideal? No.
Do we all want better? Yes.

But you can today make a move to let you grow your onions and put out your outdoor furnishings.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

You could just relinquish them and be done with the system if you think so little of it. That would give at least a few other players a chance to enter the system and make their own decision.

Also, selling for gil isn't against ToS. What's against ToS is selling for real money, or purchasing with the intent to resell (whether for gil or real money). You could resell for the same price you paid in the first place.\

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Yeah, no. I'm not really keen on throwing 100+M into the void.

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Yeah, no. I'm not really keen on throwing 100+M into the void.

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Too late, you already did that. The gil is spent and gone. You're left with something you don't enjoy. Holding onto it does not bring the gil back. The sunk cost fallacy is not your friend.

Getting rid of the houses would at least let you reclaim part of that 100+M. FC houses could be sold intact to players who want a house and are willing to go the FC route to get one. On the personal houses, you can invite people in as tenant to buy what furnishings they want. Any leftover furnishing could be desynthed for materials to sell/use and anything still left after that sold to vendor or discarded.

You've presented yourself as an example of part of what is wrong with the system - people clinging to something they don't care about for nonsensical reasons while others who would enjoy having the access are locked out. Not to say that it's entirely your fault - the system is badly designed. But you could choose to make a small but positive difference by letting go of what you don't want yet refuse to do it.

"Just move to another server"

How do i move my whole FC / static etc. to that server?

Or i could go to a dead server! Full of houses! Wait 30 minutes for a leveling roulette! I rather have no house

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"Just move to another server"

How do i move my whole FC / static etc. to that server?

Or i could go to a dead server! Full of houses! Wait 30 minutes for a leveling roulette! I rather have no house

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EU DC travel means you are not tied to your server, want a house on Phantom + stay in your community on Spriggan - you can! CWLS means you are not tied to your FC. DC/World travel means you can be with your static on both of the EU DCs.

The system as it stands also means that Light or Chaos, the world doesn't matter as your roulette draws from the existing servers too. As you are on Spriggan you could move to Sagittarius or Phantom and roulette would be exactly the same. 100% no change.

If you want a house - and knowing that SE won't do what we all wish for any time soon - then you can certainly get onto a new server and get one, and not need to give up your friends nor your static, and you wouldn't see a skerrick of difference in Roulette. The queues wouldn't be a second slower - Spriggan or Phantom.

If you won't do this, then maybe a house just isn't so high on your list of what's important?

So yeah, we'd all love an improvement, nobody denies this, but sometimes you just gotta make do. And right now - if you actually want a house - you are in a great position on Chaos to jump on Phantom or Saggy with all those old worlds to draw from seamlessly, including Spriggan + being able to DC travel to Light.

Transferring servers is not the solution so please stop suggesting it. Nobody should be expected to leave their established communities to get a house.

Please stop. There are better solutions out there, we just need to keep talking about them and perhaps someone will actually listen.

While this topic is far from new, the housing system does lock a lot of people out from content they would enjoy. It also encourages people to hang on to houses they don't particularly want because they know they're not going to get another any time soon if they change their mind.

[B]Why not just move to a less populated worldB] Like many simple solutions, this one ignores the many good reasons people have for staying put. There is no guarantee that you'll get a house if you do move and leaving friends behind is not something many people want to do. For people who want to join the friends or who already have an established group of friends on a particular world, moving just for the chance of getting a house is not practical.

The biggest plus I can see for instanced houses is that the system will be far more flexible than the one we have at present. With the ward system, the most populated worlds have far more issues than less populated worlds, even apartments are unavailable on some. With instanced houses provided alongside the wards, supply could more easily tailored to match demand.

The fact that every character now has the opportunity to have their very own instanced island suggests that providing personal instanced houses should also be possible.

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Please stop. There are better solutions out there, we just need to keep talking about them and perhaps someone will actually listen.

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It's not a zero sum.

We can keep pushing SE to do something most other MMOs excel at and FFXIV simply fails at, while still having something in the meantime.

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The fact that every character now has the opportunity to have their very own instanced island suggests that providing personal instanced houses should also be possible.

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Yes, and it beggars belief why SE won't push that further.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

You have a solution. It just seems you choose not to take it. Move server, or make an alt on a server with housing.

If you see an opportunity to get this "locked out content" but don't take it, whose fault is it?

Is it ideal? No.
Do we all want better? Yes.

But you can today make a move to let you grow your onions and put out your outdoor furnishings.

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Drastically reducing your ability to interact with your friends and FC is not a reasonable solution to this problem and you know it. Not to mention that it isn't even available to NA right now.

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Drastically reducing your ability to interact with your friends and FC is not a reasonable solution to this problem and you know it.

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I span both Aether and Materia, with my house on Materia and my friends and FC (which I lead) on Aether.

Again, you can be pragmatic and take what you can while always continuing to push SE for a better solution - as I do - or you can just throw your hands in the air and be homeless.

Is it perfect? Not by a damned longshot, but if housing is important to one, then it's a solution, house where you can, keep friends as you can - and importantly - never stop pushing SE for a better solution.

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I span both Aether and Materia, with my house on Materia and my friends and FC (which I lead) on Aether.

Again, you can be pragmatic and take what you can while always continuing to push SE for a better solution - as I do - or you can just throw your hands in the air and be homeless.

Is it perfect? Not by a damned longshot, but if housing is important to one, then it's a solution, house where you can, keep friends as you can - and importantly - never stop pushing SE for a better solution.

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That's nice. I'm not making an alt to buy a house on another server. I'm not leaving my friends and FC to buy a house on another server. Is it A solution? Yes. Is it an acceptable one? Absolutely not. And I will absolutely under no circumstances give SE the impression that it is acceptable by utilizing it. I will quit the game before doing so. Everyone that does it is one more person that is telling SE that it's a solution that they are okay with.

And instead of addressing the problem they continue to demonstrate gross incompetence in this area by dedicating resources that could be used to help address the problem toward new servers and a private island that I completely finished in less time than I've spent decorating my stupid apartment. Instead of adding supply to the places where demand has completely outstripped supply they decided they should add it somewhere else that has no demand whatsoever. EU with their half empty housing wards on the new servers is a wonderful example of why adding new servers isn't going to solve the problem. Oceania has issues with server population. People don't want to leave their community. Not in FFXIV, not in WoW, not in any game. The quiet majority of MMO players play in large part due to the social aspect. They don't raid, they might occasionally do a dungeon, but they mostly play to hang out with their friends. I don't know how many times game devs (not just SE) need to see this before they get it through their heads that anything that would make that more difficult doesn't work.

And the kicker is that they have yet to even publicly admit this is a problem. It is mind-boggling that the same devs that can do so many things better than any other MMO developer can be so incredibly inept in this area when others have managed to solve it over a decade ago. It's enough to make me want to smack my head into a brick wall in frustration.

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That's nice. I'm not making an alt to buy a house on another server. I'm not leaving my friends and FC to buy a house on another server. Is it A solution? Yes. Is it an acceptable one? Absolutely not. And I will absolutely under no circumstances give SE the impression that it is acceptable by utilizing it. I will quit the game before doing so. Everyone that does it is one more person that is telling SE that it's a solution that they are okay with.

And instead of addressing the problem they continue to demonstrate gross incompetence in this area by dedicating resources that could be used to help address the problem toward new servers and a private island that I completely finished in less time than I've spent decorating my stupid apartment. Instead of adding supply to the places where demand has completely outstripped supply they decided they should add it somewhere else that has no demand whatsoever. EU with their half empty housing wards on the new servers is a wonderful example of why adding new servers isn't going to solve the problem. Oceania has issues with server population. People don't want to leave their community. Not in FFXIV, not in WoW, not in any game. The quiet majority of MMO players play in large part due to the social aspect. They don't raid, they might occasionally do a dungeon, but they mostly play to hang out with their friends. I don't know how many times game devs (not just SE) need to see this before they get it through their heads that anything that would make that more difficult doesn't work.

And the kicker is that they have yet to even publicly admit this is a problem. It is mind-boggling that the same devs that can do so many things better than any other MMO developer can be so incredibly inept in this area when others have managed to solve it over a decade ago. It's enough to make me want to smack my head into a brick wall in frustration.

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Hear hear, this is exactly what I've been saying. Thank you for saying this.

Suggesting that transferring servers as the solution to this issue is part of the problem. Trying to shut down people's arguments about this appalling scarcity by telling them there is available housing in other servers IS PART OF THE PROBLEM.
It should not be the default reply to people raising this issue. We should be talking about about SE SHOULD be doing for the existing, established communities.

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Hear hear, this is exactly what I've been saying. Thank you for saying this.

Suggesting that transferring servers as the solution to this issue is part of the problem. Trying to shut down people's arguments about this appalling scarcity by telling them there is available housing in other servers IS PART OF THE PROBLEM.
It should not be the default reply to people raising this issue. We should be talking about about SE SHOULD be doing for the existing, established communities.

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You know whats the standard ABC of an MMO is when servers reach a certain threshold of people on it? Guess you know it already. If not it will answer your question why Square is going to open just new DCs here and there with literally free houses as an incentive to move to the newly opened worlds. It may not your preferred solution (mine neither) but its what Square is going to do and sees it as solution to the "housing crisis".

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Transferring servers is not the solution so please stop suggesting it. Nobody should be expected to leave their established communities to get a house.

Please stop. There are better solutions out there, we just need to keep talking about them and perhaps someone will actually listen.

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It's not the solution for everyone. It is a solution for some of those who want a house and don't have especially close ties to a social circle within their existing community. My cousin's FC just made the decision they're going to move to one of the new NA worlds because their social circle is just their FC filled with friends from other games. They're not going to be losing anything outside of some progress on their workshop and now they know what they're doing (plus have items they can take with them to help), they'll regain that progress faster.

Yes, there are better solutions that SE could turn to. But as Shibi says, that doesn't do anyone any good right now when we have to work with the current system and any changes will take time before being implemented.

It's nice to think that if players scream loud enough that SE will change things but there's no guarantee that will happen.

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And the kicker is that they have yet to even publicly admit this is a problem. It is mind-boggling that the same devs that can do so many things better than any other MMO developer can be so incredibly inept in this area when others have managed to solve it over a decade ago. It's enough to make me want to smack my head into a brick wall in frustration.

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To be correct, YoshiP did admit that it is a problem, especially for NA servers, back in one of the many Live Letters, interviews, etc that they did prior to Shadowbringers launch. They had plans to increase the number of wards per housing district then had to pull back on those plans when COVID hit.

Then when things started settling down, the massive WoW exodus hit and that switched it from not just being a problem with plots but with actual log-ins to the game and server capacity. The priority became new worlds, not just more houses, though more houses come with those new worlds to help relieve at least some of the demand.

Hopefully SE has now learned that the ward system does not work with a rapidly growing player base, that the instanced solution is needed. But it's still going to be a while before we see any results to that because new worlds for the overall increased population is still the priority.

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You know whats the standard ABC of an MMO is when servers reach a certain threshold of people on it? Guess you know it already. If not it will answer your question why Square is going to open just new DCs here and there with literally free houses as an incentive to move to the newly opened worlds. It may not your preferred solution (mine neither) but its what Square is going to do and sees it as solution to the "housing crisis".

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But we know from WoW's past experience that it doesn't work well. Players already on a world tend to expect other players to make the move so they don't have to be bothered doing anything. That's why WoW eventually gave up on offering the free transfers off congested worlds to low population worlds.

I've got a strong feeling that when the new NA worlds finally open, hopefully November but whenever that ends up being, that SE is going to slap all the existing NA worlds with the Congested status forcing all new character creation to be on those new worlds. Data center travel takes care of the friends being able to play with friends. There's no trade restrictions so you can give any friends new to the game items and gil to help them out.

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You know whats the standard ABC of an MMO is when servers reach a certain threshold of people on it? Guess you know it already. If not it will answer your question why Square is going to open just new DCs here and there with literally free houses as an incentive to move to the newly opened worlds. It may not your preferred solution (mine neither) but its what Square is going to do and sees it as solution to the "housing crisis".

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Well lets back up we did this allready SE had there chance when they split NA into 3 Data centers and added new servers .. SE set the numbers of players allowed per server,,, Back then there was only 4 wards i believe thats 5,760 houses you have to share with fcs... so not to over sell your product you do the messy math and do not allow more then 3k ppl per server have to share with fc's..

You my friend are a few steps behind. SE has tried adding more servers hell they made a whole new data center.. there problem is allowing x amount of people to be the cap...

Now that they allow 10k+ per server they need to find a way to allow well over 10k+ houses.. They made there bed now lie in it

with all due respect you have a newer account 2021 some of us have been fighting this for 4 to 5 years or more..

And We all ready gave SE a chance at your soultion and they failed

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Housing is dogshit, people who defend it are delusional

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Works on my machine. I got an fc small exactly where I wanted it and it's been a blast for months decorating it and hanging out on my lawn. The lottery fix is awesome!

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Well lets back up we did this allready SE had there chance when they split NA into 3 Data centers and added new servers .. SE set the numbers of players allowed per server,,, Back then there was only 4 wards i believe thats 5,760 houses you have to share with fcs... so not to over sell your product you do the messy math and do not allow more then 3k ppl per server have to share with fc's..

You my friend are a few steps behind. SE has tried adding more servers hell they made a whole new data center.. there problem is allowing x amount of people to be the cap...

Now that they allow 10k+ per server they need to find a way to allow well over 10k+ houses.. They made there bed now lie in it

with all due respect you have a newer account 2021 some of us have been fighting this for 4 to 5 years or more..

And We all ready gave SE a chance at your soultion and they failed

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Its not my solution. It is what Square decided to do in the past and probably will in the future. They are just throwing hardware on the issue. Thats the only solution Square came up about housing in the past and probably is the only path they are willingly to choose as we can see with the recent announcement of new worlds and DCs.

Square also gives a f*** about 10k+ Players on NA/EU worlds. Only amount which Squares care are JP numbers. Thats their baseline. And if JP has no problem then the rest of the FF14 world has no problem. There internal goal seems to be just add new Worlds & DCs as long as those numbers are not met on NA/EU.

And if had to guess they see it as a cheaper invest from their POV to buy/maintain new DCs/Worlds instead of investing money into a bottomless pit so called instanced housing or whatever players begging for right now. And from their perspective its probably futureproof too. Not enough players/subs in 5 years? Easy shut down a few worlds here and there.

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

with all due respect you have a newer account 2021 some of us have been fighting this for 4 to 5 years or more..

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And? Did Square came up with the player preferred solution instanced housing? No? See Square gives a f*** about what older and newer players want and fighting for as long as we are located in the wrong Regions.

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

Well lets back up we did this allready SE had there chance when they split NA into 3 Data centers and added new servers .. SE set the numbers of players allowed per server,,, Back then there was only 4 wards i believe thats 5,760 houses you have to share with fcs... so not to over sell your product you do the messy math and do not allow more then 3k ppl per server have to share with fc's..d

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They didn't add new servers to NA, though. All they did was reorganize the existing 24 worlds from 12 each on 2 data centers to 8 each on 3 data centers. That was for better management of player log ins, which seems to initially start at the data center level. It wasn't to balance house demand.

At the time they did it, they had no way to predict that WoW would implode the following year, bringing hundreds of thousands of new players to FFXIV.

The reason why "more worlds" isn't a solution is because most players would rather keep complaining rather than use the solution presented, which is even more viable as a solution now that we have data center travel within the same region.

Not every player wants a house so there's no need to make certain that every player can get one. It's still a poor system, of course, but capping server population to match the number of houses doesn't solve any problems while it creates new ones.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I've got a strong feeling that when the new NA worlds finally open, hopefully November but whenever that ends up being, that SE is going to slap all the existing NA worlds with the Congested status forcing all new character creation to be on those new worlds. Data center travel takes care of the friends being able to play with friends. There's no trade restrictions so you can give any friends new to the game items and gil to help them out.

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That would be smart of them, yep. But SE are prone to doing real real weird things at the best of times. Still, not long to find out now. And I know I will be making my characters and FCs (on each server) on day 1.

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Originally Posted by Tibbroar

That's nice. I'm not making an alt to buy a house on another server.

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I hope you get a house one year. I really do.

In the meantime though, I will keep calling on SE to improve housing, and in the same breath I will keep telling people there are options that can suit some people.

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Originally Posted by Tibbroar

And the kicker is that they have yet to even publicly admit this is a problem.

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I am not actually sure SE see it as that large a problem. Housing was meant for FCs, people only got them as there was a surplus of them. Their actions in implementing the April ward split and not bothering to balance that per-server as they claimed they would suggests FCs are still high in their mind, with personals an also-ran -- partially solved with island sanctuary.

I also consider that SE are likely using housing as another lever in population balancing, and they are unlikely to mess that up any time soon. Which is why I think more people taking up those empty houses on the new servers will remove that particular balancing lever from SE's grasp and cause them to take another path.

But in general, too many people think too much of the devs.

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Originally Posted by Yodada

Did Square came up with the player preferred solution instanced housing?

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How did you conclude that instanced housing is "the player preferred solution"?
I hope you aren't using the volume level on the forums as your evidence, it's not even a valid sample of the players who read the forums, much less of the entire playerbase.

For a fact, not every player prefers instanced housing. I had that in SWTOR (a house on every planet that allowed it) and I prefer FFXIV's ward system. And the new FFXIV Islands doesn't float my boat.

The Islands don't bother me -- it's SE's game, they can add what they like -- and if SE adds instanced housing, I'll just shrug and continue enjoying what I enjoy. But I personally would rather the devs spent the resources on something else -- like more and better glams. Again, just my personal preference, and the devs are free to do as they wish. (At least we have Summer Sunset Sandals now.)

I like FFXIV for what it has. What it doesn't have that I would like doesn't change that.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

How did you conclude that instanced housing is "the player preferred solution"?
I hope you aren't using the volume level on the forums as your evidence, it's not even a valid sample of the players who read the forums, much less of the entire playerbase.

For a fact, not every player prefers instanced housing. I had that in SWTOR (a house on every planet that allowed it) and I prefer FFXIV's ward system. And the new FFXIV Islands doesn't float my boat.

The Islands don't bother me -- it's SE's game, they can add what they like -- and if SE adds instanced housing, I'll just shrug and continue enjoying what I enjoy. But I personally would rather the devs spent the resources on something else -- like more and better glams. Again, just my personal preference, and the devs are free to do as they wish. (At least we have Summer Sunset Sandals now.)

I like FFXIV for what it has. What it doesn't have that I would like doesn't change that.

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"Well, I have a house, so I would prefer that SE not waste resources on supplying those losers who don't have one, and instead focus on catering to my wishlist of glams."

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Originally Posted by Pablomaldito

"Well, I have a house, so I would prefer that SE not waste resources on supplying those losers who don't have one, and instead focus on catering to my wishlist of glams."

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Lots are still available, and no one is bidding on them. For example,
the nice lot right next to the small my spouse and I recently picked up (without any competition).
Anyone who wants a house and doesn't have one has only themselves to blame for it.

Besides, why shouldn't I look after my own interests?
Frankly, most people who pretend they are doing otherwise are mistaken at best and frauds at worst.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Lots are still available, and no one is bidding on them. For example,
the nice lot right next to the small my spouse and I recently picked up (without any competition).
Anyone who wants a house and doesn't have one has only themselves to blame for it.

Besides, why shouldn't I look after my own interests?
Frankly, most people who pretend they are doing otherwise are mistaken at best and frauds at worst.

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I'm curious, which server are you on? Because I'll eat my hat if there are individual homes that aren't being bid on anywhere on Aether/Primal/Crystal data centers.