Rewards should be account wide.

Please devs if you're reading this make all rewards (achievement, island sanctuary, mounts, minions, PVP milestones, aether currents, orchestrion rolls, sightseeing logs, etc) account wide.

Full disclosure I'm not asking for anything that gives players an edge over other players, examples being tomestones, gear, or job levels. I think all of those things should be earned.

This game isn't the least bit alt-friendly. Having to level up 8 islands for my 8 alts just so they can have the glamour at the end of the grind is so time consuming and a chore.

If Square Enix were to do this I think it would encourage people to make alts, thereby spending more time in the game leveling and gearing up said alts.

However, good caveat would be that most of these things should be locked behind story progression. Island Sanctuary gear shouldn't be able to be worn until you reach the appropriate level and point in the story where Island Sanctuary would normally unlock.

It would cut into mogstation profits by making everything account-wide. They literally make money off us buying multiple of glams, emotes and boosts for alts.

Do I think they should? Yeah. I like games like SWTOR and GW2 that have features like that.

Will they? Probably not without giving the cash store a face lift in some form.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

It would cut into mogstation profits by making everything account-wide. They literally make money off us buying multiple of glams, emotes and boosts for alts.

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Oh, no. I forgot to mention I think mogstation sales shouldn't be account-wide lol.

I just don't want to grind island again (I will)

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Originally Posted by Rekun

Oh, no. I forgot to mention I think mogstation sales shouldn't be account-wide lol.

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That's more work than necessary for them then to create two separate systems unless the one for mog mounts can be expanded on or replicated easily.

Gonna have to disagree with ya there, chief. This game is "alt-unfriendly" because outside of extremely niche scenarios you have virtually no reason to make an alt. Even fewer now that DC Travel is a thing. Every job is usable on a single character, (mostly) every storyline is replayable with NG+, currencies can be spent on all different kinds of things depending on whatever you want to allocate them to (Astronomies for instance, being spend-able on gearing, crafting, etc...)

Like, what's the reason for having 8 alts? It sounds like willful self-torture that 99.9% of players simply don't need to deal with. Why redesign the entire reward system around what is effectively a player/self-imposed issue?

I have to agree with MonteCristo. While there are some subset of players that feel they have a need (or really have a need) to have an alt, the game is designed to not need an alt. One of the only limitations I can think of is crafting specialists and if you insist on raiding on two different jobs. Now, that second one... the content is designed to be cleared with i610 gear, so it really shouldn't be necessary since there is no gate for i610 gear. The specialist limitation is partially mitigated by the ability to switch 3x/week.

Back when crafted gear was locked behind specialization, I could see having an alt for crafting. But SE learned very quickly that locking gear behind specialization wasn't a good move. Specialization is just for aesthetics now (barding, furniture, etc).

I agree with your point of view, mostly. It's just this one thing:

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Originally Posted by MontecristoSandwich

Like, what's the reason for having 8 alts? It sounds like willful self-torture that 99.9% of players simply don't need to deal with.

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Because some of us like leveling alts. Leveling, questing, things like the "MSQ", etc., are the core of gameplay for some. Much more than 0.1%, I can assure you.

When I played WoW, I did fifty toons because that's the max the game allows (allowed?) account-wide. I'd level one, then level the next, etc. Barely touched endgame, and used the various alts to get multiple runs on things that were locked to 1x per week. I liked leveling toons so much that I'd level 'em and when they hit max I'd just liquidate everything they had accumulated, send the items to a new alt, and delete the one I leveled. I loved leveling toons, and I cannot possibly be the only one. I ran a guild there that had hundreds of folks in it, many of them active daily, and all some of us ever did is level toons and have dozens of alts.

I've already created eight toons here in FF, have played two of them... will eventually play all eight or more. I'd love to have them all fleshed out with all jobs leveled, all professions leveled on each. This doesn't have anything to do with "needing" alts at all. I have them and do this because I want to. The "have one toon that does it all," thing is great, sure. But I like to play different characters that have unique looks, styles, and personalities... and I am not down with buying a Fantasia every time I'd like to play a "different" character. It's nice to just log out, log in and have a completely different toon in your control.

But, I digress.

I agree with what you've said and I don't want FF to change, personally, even though I am an alt-o-holic. This game is uniquely this game and I don't see the need for every reward to be account wide like some other games do it. If I want rewards on multiple toons I will earn them (or buy them, or whatever).

I just wanted to defend the point of view that not everyone sees leveling as some chore to go through before getting to the "real game," or whatever. For some, leveling up toons is the "real game." And I seriously doubt it's only a tenth-of-a-percent of us that play this way.

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Originally Posted by MontecristoSandwich

Like, what's the reason for having 8 alts? It sounds like willful self-torture that 99.9% of players simply don't need to deal with. Why redesign the entire reward system around what is effectively a player/self-imposed issue?

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16 free retainers that bring you mats you can only get by having your retainers bring them to you, having multiple characters with their own distinct looks and glamour plates to them, extra private rooms within FC houses, extra apartments, extra bids on private and free company plots thereby increasing your chances at owning your own house, increased company seal revenue, if you own your own fc you can freely transfer gil and items between alts and your main thereby consolidating your earnings on your alts.

Overall, there are a lot of reasons for making 8 alts. Granted with the current system alting is only for people that are seriously into this game and I don't really blame Squeenix or anyone for that. To each their own, but it would benefit everyone if making alts was a more friendly process.

If anything, it's a player issue that you don't make alts, considering how unfriendly the housing system is in this game and how you have to pay extra money for extra retainers if you want more shots at getting those expensive dyes without paying a pretty penny.

EDIT: Before anyone says just move from Balmung if Housing is such a big deal to you. I already own two houses, a shell FC with a fully functioning workshop and 16 personal rooms/apartments. I'm not going to move lol.

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Originally Posted by MontecristoSandwich

This game is "alt-unfriendly" because outside of extremely niche scenarios you have virtually no reason to make an alt. Even fewer now that DC Travel is a thing...

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Notwithstanding that DC travel is only inside the region, I'm not sure how you are disadvantaged if someone with an alt gets the ability to unlock something over all characters.

Your life, your game, and your "achievements" won't be lessened because someone can easier share a house between their roleplay characters, or doesn't need to do all the extremes on their new-regional-server character, or makes an alt in the EU to play with with their new German friend.

I know this community loves to do it, but does this really need gatekeeping too?

Agreed with the Original poster..,
Except I'll go Further and Say Mogstation MUST be accountwide[but I'll say they'll manage with having both options one for single or accountwide, it'll cost less if you only need for one.., it'll cost slightly more than it is now for account.., people will buy single anyways til they make another.., no loss for SE]

As for Achievements and etc.., just have a toggle option, if it messes with people's RP or etc..,[I've seen some use that the character hasn't earned it as an excuse to block what would be a QoL overall way too many times when it doesn't have to do with it in any form -as the person will find their own way to earn.., like spending a pvp season to top rank on one class only]

They could also make it so there are a objective/achievement to make the unlock Accountwide that takes longer or has much more requirements/resources..,
[I say resources cause while I'd love for Relics to have an Accountwide option, and/or HQ. even if it takes nearly twice as long, it'd be worth it. Zeta ain't pretty Twice. or any other relic.., but this Segment is a hard want, since others will idle on that pvp hill if their account is at stake]

In the end, the value is earned by the player.
and those who don't feel a character has earned it, will deny the character the right to said items anyway<a toggle just makes it easier>

Nothing lost, but QoL, and/or benefit is gained.
[The time one has spent is precious in many ways.., what way to give it more worth if it's always with us.., IF we are given the choice to have it with us or not.]

I agree. I like how in WoW, you can use all your mounts on any character you make once you get that mount. I think mounts you get from main story quests however should be unusable until you complete the quest that rewards the mount.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Notwithstanding that DC travel is only inside the region, I'm not sure how you are disadvantaged if someone with an alt gets the ability to unlock something over all characters.

Your life, your game, and your "achievements" won't be lessened because someone can easier share a house between their roleplay characters, or doesn't need to do all the extremes on their new-regional-server character, or makes an alt in the EU to play with with their new German friend.

I know this community loves to do it, but does this really need gatekeeping too?

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It doesn't need any gatekeeping at all as it simply won't happen. If this was your typical MMO with one job per character, then there could be an argument for them to do something like that. Given that nothing is ever shared outside of anything on the account level, I don't see them working to create any kind of link where this might be possible.

There's clearly some money to be made on story skips and I'm sure that's more alts than mains. What's being proposed here would absolutely negate any need for that. They would be foolish to cut into that and the OP should just buy the story skip already. It's worth it. :p

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

It doesn't need any gatekeeping at all as it simply won't happen. If this was your typical MMO with one job per character, then there could be an argument for them to do something like that. Given that nothing is ever shared outside of anything on the account level, I don't see them working to create any kind of link where this might be possible.

There's clearly some money to be made on story skips and I'm sure that's more alts than mains. What's being proposed here would absolutely negate any need for that. They would be foolish to cut into that and the OP should just buy the story skip already. It's worth it. :p

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I already own 8 alts at level 90, that's not what I'm asking, lol. Please read the whole post before you share your opinion, thaaaanks <3

I'm not the illiterate one here.

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I'm not the illiterate one here.

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I would never imply that you were! Just that you didn't read the full post because if you did then you wouldn't be saying that account-wide mounts, PvP milestones, Island Sanctuary, minions, aether currents, orchestrion rolls, etc would make people not buy story skips c:

In fact, if anything it should have the opposite effect. More people will want to buy story and level skips because most of you can't be bothered to level an alt the free way.

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Originally Posted by Rekun

If Square Enix were to do this I think it would encourage people to make alts, thereby spending more time in the game leveling and gearing up said alts.

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This makes no sense. How does SE benefit by having players spend more time in the game considering it's a flat monthly fee to play?

Not to mention most players are probably already spending as much time in the game as they have available to play. Making things account wide doesn't suddenly increase the length of a day from 24 to 28 hours.

As an altoholic, I've never been in favor of things being account wide. If I want a reward on a character, I'll play the character to earn what I want.

The only exceptions I could see would be some of the achievements that require hundreds of hours of grinding (like the hunt mounts). Even then, I'm fine with them being as they are.

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Originally Posted by Rekun

In fact, if anything it should have the opposite effect. More people will want to buy story and level skips because most of you can't be bothered to level an alt the free way.

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What's the point of having all those alts if you aren't actively playing them? Extra storage space? Does a pack mule really need to have all the bling its owner has?

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

This makes no sense. How does SE benefit by having players spend more time in the game considering it's a flat monthly fee to play?

Not to mention most players are probably already spending as much time in the game as they have available to play. Making things account wide doesn't suddenly increase the length of a day from 24 to 28 hours.

As an altoholic, I've never been in favor of things being account wide. If I want a reward on a character, I'll play the character to earn what I want.

The only exceptions I could see would be some of the achievements that require hundreds of hours of grinding (like the hunt mounts). Even then, I'm fine with them being as they are.


What's the point of having all those alts if you aren't actively playing them? Extra storage space? Does a pack mule really need to have all the bling its owner has?

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So if people owned more alts they'd be more likely to spend in the Mogstation, plus it'd keep them subbed for longer if they were interested in keeping their alts up to date for glamour purposes.

I actually roleplay on my alts, farm glamours and other jobs, decorate the spaces I own, send out retainers for extra chances at white and black dyes, PvP, and gpose. There are a lot of things you can do with your alts!

And the answer is, yes, yes they do!

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Originally Posted by MontecristoSandwich

Gonna have to disagree with ya there, chief. This game is "alt-unfriendly" because outside of extremely niche scenarios you have virtually no reason to make an alt.

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If you want to play on different physical datacenters then you need alts. And this is not a niche scenario, IMHO.



Cheers

The concept of having more than one character scares the achievement hunter and raider.

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Originally Posted by Rekun

I would never imply that you were! Just that you didn't read the full post because if you did then you wouldn't be saying that account-wide mounts, PvP milestones, Island Sanctuary, minions, aether currents, orchestrion rolls, etc would make people not buy story skips c:

In fact, if anything it should have the opposite effect. More people will want to buy story and level skips because most of you can't be bothered to level an alt the free way.

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I read the post. I read what followed.

Some of the things you mention are actually tied to story skip, like aether currents and (eventually) Island Sanctuary. There's story progress in the achievements as well as duty unlocks. The rest is just not at all essential.

People can and will do what they like, but I don't think people should be encouraged to make alts. They take up valuable space. On the NA servers, we already have struggles with the population. Balmung was recently flagged as congested and no new characters can be created. At the end of the day, the game just isn't designed with alts in mind, but the one character that can do it all. Even if they could potentially do any of this sharing business, they probably won't.

Every Character is a new warrior of light and has to earn its achivements by themselfs.

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Originally Posted by Rekun

So if people owned more alts they'd be more likely to spend in the Mogstation, plus it'd keep them subbed for longer if they were interested in keeping their alts up to date for glamour purposes.

I actually roleplay on my alts, farm glamours and other jobs, decorate the spaces I own, send out retainers for extra chances at white and black dyes, PvP, and gpose. There are a lot of things you can do with your alts!

And the answer is, yes, yes they do!

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I'm aware of all the things alts can do. As I said, I'm an altoholic.

My alts don't need everything my main has, nor does my main need everything my alts have. I get the rewards on the character that will actually use it. If it means farming a specific item on a couple of different characters, then I do that. It is not difficult.

Roleplay becomes a shallow excuse considering the only reason to make multiple alts for role play is to have each character taking on a very different role. There's not going to be need for them to have identical everything.

It's easy to get housing decorations. They don't need to be automatically duplicated account wide, especially considering the economic exploits it would lead to for things like Mogstation items.

The answer is still no, your pack mules do not need to have everything your main has because they never do anything except act as pack mules you see for maybe 10 minutes a day as you click your summoning bell.

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If you want to play on different physical datacenters then you need alts. And this is not a niche scenario, IMHO.



Cheers

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True that use isn't niche, but it also doesn't need rewards to be shared account wide.

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Originally Posted by Yukimin

The concept of having more than one character scares the achievement hunter and raider.

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It doesn't scare them. They simply don't have time for them in most cases.

That's what a lot of people don't get. Alts are basically a time sink for those who have lots of spare time on their hands. Not everyone has that time.

Making things account wide still does not give them that time because there are still things that can only be done by the character and players inevitably fall into the trap of doing all the work on a single character so they don't truly end up playing the alts - unless they have the excess time in the first place.

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Originally Posted by MontecristoSandwich

Gonna have to disagree with ya there, chief. This game is "alt-unfriendly" because outside of extremely niche scenarios you have virtually no reason to make an alt. Even fewer now that DC Travel is a thing. Every job is usable on a single character, (mostly) every storyline is replayable with NG+, currencies can be spent on all different kinds of things depending on whatever you want to allocate them to (Astronomies for instance, being spend-able on gearing, crafting, etc...)

Like, what's the reason for having 8 alts? It sounds like willful self-torture that 99.9% of players simply don't need to deal with. Why redesign the entire reward system around what is effectively a player/self-imposed issue?

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One of the big reasons would be customization and vanity. This game is very appearance or vanity focussed. Hence the sentiment that Glamour is the only end game..

Alts would just expand on that. Maybe your want your astrogian to be a lalafell. But want your warrior to be a big hulking roegadyn.. and your ninja to be a Vieira. Alts would be great for this.

And the other thing people often say is that yes it's a game you can play every job on every character. But you can't gear them all..

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I'm aware of all the things alts can do. As I said, I'm an altoholic.

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No offense to you but the way you speak about your alts leads me to believe that you treat them as nothing more than pack mules. Even if you are an altoholic as you say, I think my definition of an alt is not the same as yours.

I've got over 283 days of playtime on my most played alt, nearly half the amount of playtime that my main has. I've done tons of content on my alts.

And there are days where I spend more time on my alts than I do my main.

I'm not asking to duplicate every piece of inventory or gear, I'm not sure where you got that from.

I'm just asking for things that should be account-wide to be account-wide so I don't have to farm a million fates for a mount or spend another two weeks doing the same grind I just did on my main so I can have the same pair of vanity shorts on my alt that I'm going to use in different glamours anyway. They're doing it with log-in rewards and some mogstation items like Clouds bike, so why can't they do it for these things?

The idea that these things can't be account-wide because it hurts sales or will break the in-game economy is so bogus when other MMO's are doing it already.

I agree, do a point. This is coming from someone with an alt who I play just as often as my main. I also have no issues buying things from the Mogstation if my entertainment budget for that months allows so take what I have to say in those contexts.

**Any items made account-wide should also be untradeable. There's too much potential for exploitation; especially with things like housing items that are currently sellable.**

Disagreements:
1. Achievements and other progression related things such as raid unlocks and gear earned/made into glams should not be account-wide; they should be unique to each character.

2. Raid/Trial/PVP mounts and pets should be unique to each character as they represent unique effort above and beyond MSQ and DF-level duties. Plus, it gives people reason to run them again outside of roulettes, which helps folks needing a party out.

3. Dyes should be character-specific as they're highly desirable so why not let SE have the dye and Fantasia cash-cows? Plus, there's the player market to consider. Getting General-purpose black and white dyes can give an otherwise low-income player a nice cash injection should they hit the jackpot with a venture container.

4. Being an old-timer who's bought all collector's edition expansions, I get a boatload of items in the mail when I make a new character. Having 50+ individual mails waiting for them on character creation might blow something up.

5. Housing items? No way.

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1. Mogstation items should be account-wide. They already do this with mounts, they just charge extra for them vs. single-character ones. I'd be willing to pay a couple extra dollars *and be more likely to buy things* if everything were account-wide. I like emotes a lot, but other than a select very few, will only buy one out of principle. If they were account-wide, I'd probably impulse buy them all, including buying the ones I have now again if necessary.

2. I'm torn on minions being account-wide, but lean more towards yes than no.

3. Mounts earned through questing should be account-wide. Sometimes I just want a low level character to derp around or RP with and having a cool mount instead of just a chocobo is nice.

4. Orchestrion rolls- YES, ABSOLUTELY! The thought of having to grind out Rank 3 in every zone to get access to orchestrion rolls on both of my characters hurts a lot.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

This makes no sense. How does SE benefit by having players spend more time in the game considering it's a flat monthly fee to play?

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Perhaps for an Hours Played metric to entice investors? I think I read that somewhere in the context of Blizz making WoW a grind-fest to increase engagement metrics in order to help convince people they're a good choice for investment.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

True that use isn't niche, but it also doesn't need rewards to be shared account wide.

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I already get bombarded with veteran rewards, account-wide purchases, and collector's edition items on each new character. How would certain other items being made account-wide be any different?

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1. Mogstation items should be account-wide. They already do this with mounts, they just charge extra for them vs. single-character ones. I'd be willing to pay a couple extra dollars *and be more likely to buy things* if everything were account-wide.

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It breaks my heart to see people this okay with cash shop items in a subscription based MMO. :^(

Not gonna respond to every single person here, but the humor isn't lost on me that almost every response to my own claiming that ""needing" account-wide rewards are extremely niche scenarios," are with extremely niche scenarios. Wanting a hroth, viera, and lala WoL all with different jobs all at the same time is not common. Having 16 free retainers and a dozen Apartment rooms is not common. I'm not saying those situations are inherently bad, or the "wrong way to play the game" or anything of the like, and I hope ya'll don't take it that way, but they are still incredibly niche and asking for a full-scale reworking of the reward system is a massive ask for such a small percentage of players.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

I know this community loves to do it, but does this really need gatekeeping too?

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Weird takeaway from what I said. It isn't "Gatekeeping" to suggest that you get the reward for the character you earned it on. This isn't WoW where each character can only earn certain mounts, so you need multiple alts to fill out a mount catalog. You can obtain every item on one, single character. Asking that these rewards also go to alts that you simply *don't need* outside of niche, personal preferences, is asking the Devs to solve a self-imposed problem.

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No offense to you but the way you speak about your alts leads me to believe that you treat them as nothing more than pack mules. Even if you are an altoholic as you say, I think my definition of an alt is not the same as yours.

I've got over 283 days of playtime on my most played alt, nearly half the amount of playtime that my main has. I've done tons of content on my alts.

And there are days where I spend more time on my alts than I do my main.

I'm not asking to duplicate every piece of inventory or gear, I'm not sure where you got that from.

I'm just asking for things that should be account-wide to be account-wide so I don't have to farm a million fates for a mount or spend another two weeks doing the same grind I just did on my main so I can have the same pair of vanity shorts on my alt that I'm going to use in different glamours anyway. They're doing it with log-in rewards and some mogstation items like Clouds bike, so why can't they do it for these things?

The idea that these things can't be account-wide because it hurts sales or will break the in-game economy is so bogus when other MMO's are doing it already.

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I actively play my alts. They all go through MSQ (some of them I delete once done, some I keep) because I love the story and the feeling of character progression I get from playing on a new character instead of roflstomping through everything in NG+. I'll usually level crafting and gathering on them because I love crafting and having gathering makes that easier (some I don't because I see it as a challenge to avoid temptation) though I don't go to the effort of pentamelding their gear outside of gathering sets on 2 for legendary nodes when I'm trying to gather a large amount quickly.

Do I play each alt as much as I play my main? No, but I do play them on a fairly regular basis. Wanting them to have some of the things I have on my main is what gives me more incentive to play them more - I have to use that character to farm the item. If they all automatically got access to what my main has, there would be less reason to play them.

You bragging about how you have 283 days played on your most played alt only serves to support what I said - alts are a time sink for players with extra time on their hands. The average player would take over a year to get that many hours played on a single character.

Nothing in this games requires a million farms to get the same item on multiple alts. Big FATE for a mount? Takes 2-3 completions at gold. Have 10 alts? That's 30 completions tops. That's not a lot. Trial mount? Pretty rare you don't get lucky within a dozen runs if it's an older trial you can run solo unsynced.

If you look at Island Sanctuary as being a grind, you shouldn't be playing a MMO. The content has out less than 2 weeks and already many players have already reached rank 10 (only have to reach rank 9 with Lighthouse built to get your vanity shorts). OMG there's a single piece of content that you have to repeat a few times because you really love the reward. I've got 3 alts in addition to this character leveling up their Sanctuaries at the same time, though the rest are only to rank 7. Outside of the first day on each when I went through everything to get to rank 4, I'm spending roughly 30 minutes in the Sanctuary a day per alt before I take them to do other things like their best tribes or hunts or whatever. If I'm short materials for the new building phase, that might increase to 45 minutes.

Oh woe is me, I'm being so harshly punished by SE for daring to having alts that want a pair of denim cut-offs ( heavy sarcasm there but I have to admit they do look good).

If you don't have the time to farm every item you want for a specific alt, then either cut back on the number of alts you're playing or accept that like real life, they can't always get what they want.

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Originally Posted by Illmaeran

Perhaps for an Hours Played metric to entice investors? I think I read that somewhere in the context of Blizz making WoW a grind-fest to increase engagement metrics in order to help convince people they're a good choice for investment.

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That's relevant to mobile games that tend to be F2P and sell P2W elements, not subscription games. The more hours someone plays on a mobile game, the more likely they are to spend money.

Blizzard's problem was catering to the DAU/MAU mindset (once WoD created a need to hide massive subscription loss) when the only game they had that benefitted from it was Hearthstone. They made a lot of really dumb design decisions trying to push hours played on their other games, and it cost them.

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Originally Posted by Illmaeran

I already get bombarded with veteran rewards, account-wide purchases, and collector's edition items on each new character. How would certain other items being made account-wide be any different?

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Where is the line drawn? What seems right to one player may not be enough to another. You're still going to have players going "hey, a start but all this other stuff should be the same way".

The veterans rewards system was not tied to game play at first. It was tied to subscription length. Then SE took most of the veteran rewards and placed them on Jonathas to be exchanged for achievement certificates - per character and not account wide as they had been when they were part of the veteran rewards system.

Some of mounts on the Mogstation are account wide because statistics show that players are more likely to spend money for them when they are account wide. The ones that were originally tied to game play (the seasonal event mounts) remain single character.

When rewards are removed from game play or moved to where you only need to do it once for all characters on an account to benefit, players start skipping the game play. That has a detrimental impact on other players trying to find groups to do the related content. Don't need to keep farming trials on alts if they all get access to the trial mount the first time you win the drop. Weren't playing the first week of content release? Tough to be you.

Are you really feeling that burdened to have to replay content a little bit to get the same reward for multiple characters? There are few true grinds in this game - relic weapons/tools, hunt mounts, Tripe Triad cards and the like. Just about everything else is a matter of playing through content normally to get it automatically or with a minimum of farming.

As I said earlier in the thread, I wouldn't object to SE making some of the items obtained only after hundreds of hours of grinding account wide (as long as they're bound to the player and have no way to be traded to others). But I'm also okay if they don't. My game experience isn't destroyed because I have the Pteranodon mount on this character but not on my alts. It's fun to ride when I'm hunting down Aswang for my weekly SB hunt bill but the lack on my alts doesn't ruin my game experience.

Humm don't like alts don't make them. There are plenty of us with them and an achievement based system for glamor, mounts, minions, music and more would be welcome although I know it's not going to happen.

And playing the game isn't torture for some of us. Have fun with your one character it's fine.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Nothing in this games requires a million farms to get the same item on multiple alts.

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What?

There's literally a mount for farming 50000 bicolor gemstones. Are you high? Do you have any idea how long that's going to take on one character let alone even just two if you want the mount on another character? 3,835 fates. 14 gems per fate for a grand total of 320 hours of grinding assuming each fate takes 5 minutes.

What about the mount you get for 1000 S Rank hunts?

Or the Pteranodon? Should those mounts be locked to only one character per account?

inb4 you say "but i said a million farms not 3000"

Aether currents would be nice. Imagine getting an alt to hsw or sb and insta flying.

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Originally Posted by Rekun

What?

There's literally a mount for farming 50000 bicolor gemstones. Are you high? Do you have any idea how long that's going to take on one character let alone even just two if you want the mount on another character? 3,835 fates. 14 gems per fate for a grand total of 320 hours of grinding assuming each fate takes 5 minutes.

What about the mount you get for 1000 S Rank hunts?

Or the Pteranodon? Should those mounts be locked to only one character per account?

inb4 you say "but i said a million farms not 3000"

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Except you did say a million farms.

If you want to engage in constructive discussion with others, don't use excessive exaggeration. You'll be called out on it.

Now, go back and read ALL of what I said in that paragraph that included mention of the Pteranodon. What did I say there?

As for the bi-color gemstone rewards, there's an option to grinding the FATEs - buy the vouchers off the marketboard. Prices on the vouchers have been dropping on the NA worlds so it's just a matter of checking all 24 worlds for the best prices and then buying the vouchers. With all that time on your hands and all those alts you say you actively play, you should have more than enough gil to buy a few sets of vouchers.

If you'd rather grind the FATEs yourself, it will be between 600-700 completions of Formidable/Archaeotania/Daivadipa/Chi and you have the FATEs available to you on 24 different worlds (not to mention that Thavnair is still instanced so that's 2 extra FATEs every 48 hours or so). It's honestly easier to accomplish than the hunt mounts. Have 10 alts you want to get the wings or mount for? Only 7000 kills compared to getting 30,000 kills for one of the expansion hunt mounts or 70,000 kills for the Centurio Tiger.

Eh. Don't waste another minute on this person. They're some strange kind of greedy about this alt stuff and they're never going to put this sharing nonsense in the game.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Except you did say a million farms.

If you want to engage in constructive discussion with others, don't use excessive exaggeration. You'll be called out on it.

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If you can't sense that I'm using hyperbole to illustrate the ridiculous amount of time it takes to get some rewards then that's on you, I'm not about to read your entire long-winded post all so I can tell you the same thing.

Either way you're devoting a ridiculous amount of time to something that's ordinarily supposed to take an entire expansions life cycle to complete. I'm not about to spend three billion gil on 8 alts all so I can have a mount that should be account wide.

If you can't see how ridiculous that is then this thread isn't meant for you.

I agree that many items should be account wide. Mainly Mogstation items and things locked behind achievements/grinds. I currently have one alt who I made for a very specific purpose but then became attached to her and now have her in Stormblood. I love playing her but I wish I had my glamour items from my main character. If I want to give her more glamour items I have to go to my main character and craft it, then send it to my friend who will send it to my alt. Very tedious. I don't get why people would WANT to do this stuff over and over and over. The story, I understand. But other things? Absolutely not. I HATE Island Sanctuary.

Achievements being shared makes zero sense.
Your alts aren't achieving these feats. Just because it's the same player behind the screen doesn't mean it's the same characters.

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Originally Posted by MontecristoSandwich

Gonna have to disagree with ya there, chief. This game is "alt-unfriendly" because outside of extremely niche scenarios you have virtually no reason to make an alt. Even fewer now that DC Travel is a thing. Every job is usable on a single character, (mostly) every storyline is replayable with NG+, currencies can be spent on all different kinds of things depending on whatever you want to allocate them to (Astronomies for instance, being spend-able on gearing, crafting, etc...)

Like, what's the reason for having 8 alts? It sounds like willful self-torture that 99.9% of players simply don't need to deal with. Why redesign the entire reward system around what is effectively a player/self-imposed issue?

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Make 7 alts on one server, level them to 90, free retainers and storage and tons of mat farming without having to do any work, various races so no need to fantasia, run a solo FC , reapcall the rewards with none of the leadership responsibilities in regards to setting and enforcing rules, etc. Make tons of money , get a house more easily. Use alts to put in tons of entries when it's time to relocate to a bigger house. Have full control of FC buffs and change them whenever wanted, use FC chest for trading items between alts. Is this an extremely niche scenario?

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Originally Posted by Rekun

Please devs if you're reading this make all rewards (achievement, island sanctuary, mounts, minions, PVP milestones, aether currents, orchestrion rolls, sightseeing logs, etc) account wide.

Full disclosure I'm not asking for anything that gives players an edge over other players, examples being tomestones, gear, or job levels. I think all of those things should be earned.

This game isn't the least bit alt-friendly. Having to level up 8 islands for my 8 alts just so they can have the glamour at the end of the grind is so time consuming and a chore.

If Square Enix were to do this I think it would encourage people to make alts, thereby spending more time in the game leveling and gearing up said alts.

However, good caveat would be that most of these things should be locked behind story progression. Island Sanctuary gear shouldn't be able to be worn until you reach the appropriate level and point in the story where Island Sanctuary would normally unlock.

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Would be nice. Definitely not holding my breath tho.

unlockables like modern aehestics, aka the hairstyles, would be nice to have account wide, specially the event ones.