Opt out of housing in game

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06-10-2022, 05:37 PM
ashurbanipal

Opt out of housing in game

I wish there was a mode that allowed you to just completely opt out of housing in this game since that is the only content that completely locks out about 90% of the playerbase.

So a mode where there is no housing loot for me to obtain/roll on, no links to the residential districts, no mentions of housing in pf. As if this game never had housing.

An option to allow 90% of the players who will never actually have access to housing content, to simply opt out of it should be great. Even better if that can come with a feature of a slightly lower sub fee, or an extra retainer or something.
06-10-2022, 05:43 PM
Rufalus

For indoor furnishings, everyone can use those in an apartment or personal room within an FC. So I guess the main thing that is falling far below demand is access to an area where you can use the outdoor furnishings you've collected. If they don't want to make instanced housing, maybe they could add instanced gardens at the least, one for every player.
06-10-2022, 06:05 PM
Archaell

Find a free company, or eternal bond partner, that will let you decorate their house. The content is available to everyone. Just the ownership of plots is limited.
06-10-2022, 06:06 PM
Jojoya

You're exaggerating the situation. No one is locked out of housing right now, not even on Balmung (at least for the time being, I'm sure that will change in a couple of months). Apartments are housing.

There are players unable to get a house but from seeing the entry numbers that have been floating around in the forums since the lottery started, the percentage of players who want a house but are unable to seems to be closer to 25-30% (still bad) and not 90%. Players always forgot to include players who already have a house and ignore that some of those entry counts include players attempting to relocate.

It's rather ridiculous to ask for a housing free mode when you could get an apartment and store the majority of the housing items you get as quest rewards and loot drops there. It's only a handful of outdoor furnishings received as such rewards that you are not able to use.
06-12-2022, 07:28 AM
MaeveHatesHousing

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

You're exaggerating the situation. No one is locked out of housing right now, not even on Balmung (at least for the time being, I'm sure that will change in a couple of months). Apartments are housing.

There are players unable to get a house but from seeing the entry numbers that have been floating around in the forums since the lottery started, the percentage of players who want a house but are unable to seems to be closer to 25-30% (still bad) and not 90%. Players always forgot to include players who already have a house and ignore that some of those entry counts include players attempting to relocate.

It's rather ridiculous to ask for a housing free mode when you could get an apartment and store the majority of the housing items you get as quest rewards and loot drops there. It's only a handful of outdoor furnishings received as such rewards that you are not able to use.

apartments are a vastly inferior version of housing. so no. they are not exaggerating.

i have an apartment.
i have an FC room.

neither of them do what i want, or have enough item space for me to do what i want.

so no. its not unreasonable to ask that the development team either *do their damn job* and find a solution to 90% of the player base being unable to participate in a system. or provide a way to not interact with that system for a cheaper sub. since i am paying the same amount as someone with a large size house, but i dont have access to the joy of an outdoor space i can decorate.
06-12-2022, 07:40 AM
Silverbane

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Originally Posted by MaeveHatesHousing

i am paying the same amount as someone with a large size house, but i dont have access to the joy of an outdoor space i can decorate.

And I am paying the same amount as the people with the rare hard-to-get mounts, but don't have access to the joy of showing off any rare hard-to-get mounts.

And I am paying the same amount as the people with the glamour drops from some of the harder dungeons, but don't have access to the joy of showing off those glamour drops.

Housing, like some mounts and glam in this game, is one of the things you earn in-game -- by hard work, by luck, or by a combination of both. Getting it isn't guaranteed by your subscription agreement, and never has been.
And that's the deal you agreed to when you signed up.
06-12-2022, 08:02 AM
Jojoya

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Originally Posted by MaeveHatesHousing

apartments are a vastly inferior version of housing. so no. they are not exaggerating.

i have an apartment.
i have an FC room.

neither of them do what i want, or have enough item space for me to do what i want.

so no. its not unreasonable to ask that the development team either *do their damn job* and find a solution to 90% of the player base being unable to participate in a system. or provide a way to not interact with that system for a cheaper sub. since i am paying the same amount as someone with a large size house, but i dont have access to the joy of an outdoor space i can decorate.

Yes, they're still exaggerating. It's not 90% of the player base that is locked out of houses, let alone housing.

I also never said we should let the developers off the hook for the housing situation. I've been here for the last 4 years asking them to fix the system so every player that wants a house can get one.

The OP is still being petulant when they ask for a house-free mode when there are some options available, even if those options are not as good as owning a house directly. Apartments, having a friend add him as a tenant to their house, even starting up a shell FC to get a house in a FC ward like so many other players have decided to do.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

And I am paying the same amount as the people with the rare hard-to-get mounts, but don't have access to the joy of showing off any rare hard-to-get mounts.

And I am paying the same amount as the people with the glamour drops from some of the harder dungeons, but don't have access to the joy of showing off those glamour drops.

Housing, like some mounts and glam in this game, is one of the things you earn in-game -- by hard work, by luck, or by a combination of both. Getting it isn't guaranteed by your subscription agreement, and never has been.
And that's the deal you agreed to when you signed up.

Other than the seasonal ranked PvP rewards in the game, there are no other rewards that have a hard limit in quantity so players are blocked from access by other players already having those rewards.

A house is the exception, and that's really unacceptable in a game that's trying to create a positive game experience for players.
06-12-2022, 08:05 AM
Brygd

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

And I am paying the same amount as the people with the rare hard-to-get mounts, but don't have access to the joy of showing off any rare hard-to-get mounts.

And I am paying the same amount as the people with the glamour drops from some of the harder dungeons, but don't have access to the joy of showing off those glamour drops.

Housing, like some mounts and glam in this game, is one of the things you earn in-game -- by hard work, by luck, or by a combination of both. Getting it isn't guaranteed by your subscription agreement, and never has been.
And that's the deal you agreed to when you signed up.

But there's a big difference. You can farm mounts. You can run the harder dungeons if you take the time to unlock them. You can join statics or use PF and raid 24/7. What you can't do is buy the house you want because there's a built in scarcity.

It's like saying you have the ilvl to raid, but the game will only allow you to fight one encounter every nine days, and if you clear the encounter there will be an increasingly lower chance of loot dropping for you every cycle. Right now my odds at getting "loot" in the upcoming cycle is 0%.
06-12-2022, 08:35 AM
Divinemights

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Originally Posted by ashurbanipal

I wish there was a mode that allowed you to just completely opt out of housing in this game since that is the only content that completely locks out about 90% of the playerbase.

So a mode where there is no housing loot for me to obtain/roll on, no links to the residential districts, no mentions of housing in pf. As if this game never had housing.

An option to allow 90% of the players who will never actually have access to housing content, to simply opt out of it should be great. Even better if that can come with a feature of a slightly lower sub fee, or an extra retainer or something.

So, you are the type of people would go to a theme park asking for refund or discount because you have no access to one of the feature?
Kinda absurd when everything you said is not a fact because there is apartment and FC room in which is also "Housing"
What do we call this type of people nowdays? Something start with K?
06-12-2022, 09:05 AM
Silverbane

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Originally Posted by Brygd

But there's a big difference. You can farm mounts.

You mean, invest time and effort doing a dungeon again and again and again on the off chance that maybe the mount will drop, and maybe you'll get it? Sounds a lot like entering the housing lottery to me, except entering a housing lottery takes a much smaller investment of time.

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Originally Posted by Brygd

You can run the harder dungeons if you take the time to unlock them.

Not everyone can do the hardest dungeons, either because of hardware limitations (e.g. bad ping), time limitations (e.g. they don't have enough time to spend on the game to get gud, get into a static, and farm the content), or physical limitations (e.g. palsey). But everyone with the gil can enter the housing lottery, and gil is easy to get in this game.
06-12-2022, 09:24 AM
Canadane

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Originally Posted by ashurbanipal

that is the only content that completely locks out about 90% of the playerbase.

Apartments exist.
There's uhhh 17,280? apartments per server if math is correct.
While perhaps not enough for everyone, not everyone has an apartment. I'm sure you can find yourself a nice place.
06-12-2022, 10:36 AM
Breakbeat

No, deal with it like a reasonable human 13+ years of age.

If you don't / won't / can't take part in something an MMO features, you just go about your business. You don't need a setting to fake like the whole thing doesn't exist.

It's not healthy to ignore things you don't necessarily understand, things you cannot participate in, or things that make you feel upset. If you want to grow, you need to process this stuff too. Take the good with the bad, so to speak. (See also: folks that need ignore lists with 1,000 spots on them. Same concept.)

Anyway, again, no. You need to learn how to deal, not ignore. That's how one grows and matures properly. You stick your head in the sand and 'Ostrich' every thing in life you don't like, you're going to end up being one of the angry. And we reasonable folk can see how well it's going lately for the angry.

Play the game, or don't. Have this housing situation be a game breaker, or don't. But face facts, don't lie to yourself; if playing FF without easy access to housing is a deal-breaker for you, then don't play. If it isn't, then just get on with things. Jealousy isn't a good look, but ignorance is worse.
06-12-2022, 10:50 AM
Amenara

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

You mean, invest time and effort doing a dungeon again and again and again on the off chance that maybe the mount will drop, and maybe you'll get it? Sounds a lot like entering the housing lottery to me, except entering a housing lottery takes a much smaller investment of time.

Not everyone can do the hardest dungeons, either because of hardware limitations (e.g. bad ping), time limitations (e.g. they don't have enough time to spend on the game to get gud, get into a static, and farm the content), or physical limitations (e.g. palsey). But everyone with the gil can enter the housing lottery, and gil is easy to get in this game.

This stupid argument again. There is no limit to the number of people who can run dungeons/raids etc. Everyone can do the content, and if they have issues clearing, you can get better at playing the game so that you can clear the content. Housing has a limit to the number of people who can even do the system. There will always be a large portion of the player base who cannot interact with the system because of the artificial limit that SE put on it through wards. Yes I can try to interact with it but beyond the RNG of winning a lottery I have no way to improve myself, get better gear, etc. to make it so I can actually complete content and get rewards. It is 100% RNG on whether you can interact with the housing system vs you can always interact with the dungeons/raids and it's on you and your skill whether you can clear it.
06-12-2022, 11:22 AM
Silverbane

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Originally Posted by Amenara

Yes I can try to interact with it but beyond the RNG of winning a lottery I have no way to improve myself ...

Sure you can. Level alts. My spouse won her house this time by placing three bids on it, one for each character she has on that world.
Oh, and of course, you can also have characters on other worlds.
06-12-2022, 11:38 AM
Amenara

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Sure you can. Level alts. My spouse won her house this time by placing three bids on it, one for each character she has on that world.
Oh, and of course, you can also have characters on other worlds.

And you missed the point again. It is always RNG if you are bidding against anyone else. There will always be people who have a house and those who can't get one because of RNG.
06-12-2022, 07:58 PM
Avoidy

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Sure you can. Level alts. My spouse won her house this time by placing three bids on it, one for each character she has on that world.
Oh, and of course, you can also have characters on other worlds.

"Just level up your Luck stat" lmfao
gotta be kidding me with this
people really are out here acting like getting lucky took skill
06-14-2022, 10:42 PM
not_ya_wify

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashurbanipal

I wish there was a mode that allowed you to just completely opt out of housing in this game since that is the only content that completely locks out about 90% of the playerbase.

So a mode where there is no housing loot for me to obtain/roll on, no links to the residential districts, no mentions of housing in pf. As if this game never had housing.

An option to allow 90% of the players who will never actually have access to housing content, to simply opt out of it should be great. Even better if that can come with a feature of a slightly lower sub fee, or an extra retainer or something.

This is a new level of salty. You know you can still sell the housing loot and go to venues, FC houses and friends houses? Most people who seriously decorate a house would never just slap items that dropped from a dungeon or something in their house anyway.