Who owns the FC house

So with the housing system lets say the FC leader and an FC member bid on a house, the member wins the lottery, is the FC leader the owner or the one who bid? :confused:

The FC owns it.

The leader controls who can do what with it, and of course the leader can kick all members too.

https://i.imgur.com/xjC2hcq.png Good to know, SE have refused the winning house I bid on for my FC as my alt in another FC was winning bidder for that FC's house, as they claim 'I already own a house' but I'm a member not the FC Master therefore I own nothing.

That's a different question altogether though.

If you have a FC already, you can't bid on more, even if you are not the leader of the homeless FC.

Leave FC on main. Finalize FC house purchase on alt. Rejoin FC on main.

Stop trying to buy two houses under one account.. :/

Wait a damned minute....so you're saying that my alts technically shouldn't be able to be in an fc with a house now? So what the hell happens if they move the house?(highly unlikely since housing is going to be sol forever)

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Originally Posted by Roehann

Stop trying to buy two houses under one account.. :/

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I own a small FC on Spriggan with a private right next to it. All my alts and some select friends belong to the FC. That is working as intended. Relative to ownership the FC belongs to it's members and if for whatever reason the leader can't log it in the allotted time frame that ownership is transferred to another member.

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Originally Posted by Roehann

Stop trying to buy two houses under one account.. :/

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How am I buying 2 on one account when I didn't start the FC and am not the FC leader? That house belongs to the FC not me I can do nothing with it.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I own a small FC on Spriggan with a private right next to it. All my alts and some select friends belong to the FC. That is working as intended. Relative to ownership the FC belongs to it's members and if for whatever reason the leader can't log it in the allotted time frame that ownership is transferred to another member.

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In your situation, you own two houses, which is granted by the rules, one FC and one Personal. My wife has both a FC from years and years ago that she got when the FC owner just stopped playing the game and she also owns a personal home, but she don't own two FC houses.

From that way I am reading it, the OP owns a house FC #1 and wants to buy another house FC #2. They don't want to own a FC and a Personal, they want to skit the system and try to get a FC house for their second home since there are so many to pick from and less competition.

Owning two FC homes is against the rules, so they should stop trying to skit the rules.

All this is presuming I am reading and understand their post and the picture they posted from support.

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Originally Posted by Aoi_Futaba

How am I buying 2 on one account when I didn't start the FC and am not the FC leader? That house belongs to the FC not me I can do nothing with it.

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The graphic you posted from support states YOU already own a FC. If you're not the master, how does support see you as the owner? Maybe support was wrong when they looked at your account idk. From what they told you and you posted here they believe you already own one FC and thus can't own a second one. I would follow up with support for clarification.

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Originally Posted by Merryl

Wait a damned minute....so you're saying that my alts technically shouldn't be able to be in an fc with a house now? So what the hell happens if they move the house?(highly unlikely since housing is going to be sol forever)

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yeah I don't get it either, the GMs just repost a link to the lodestone that shows nothing on the subject. Like if I leave the other FC with my alt can I then claim my own FC's house? If I did can my alt go back into my friend's FC? Can my alts join ANY FCs? Can FC's I that don't own an FC house but have one of my alts in therefore not buy an FC house due to my alt being in their FC but my service account being seen by SE as 'owning and maintaining' a property? I'm just so confused right now

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Originally Posted by Aoi_Futaba

yeah I don't get it either, the GMs just repost a link to the lodestone that shows nothing on the subject. Like if I leave the other FC with my alt can I then claim my own FC's house? If I did can my alt go back into my friend's FC? Can my alts join ANY FCs? Can FC's I that don't own an FC house but have one of my alts in therefore not buy an FC house due to my alt being in their FC but my service account being seen by SE as 'owning and maintaining' a property? I'm just so confused right now

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I just looked at your Loadstone page and it shows you as the Master of that FC. Did you friend who you say owns the FC leave and come back? The system will transfer it to the next person like it did for my wife when the Master stopped playing years ago.

Maybe if your friend left, you got control of the FC and now you're trying to start your own, the system is showing you already own one. Did she leave for a period of time and then come back? If so, figure out how to give her control again then claim your house and start your FC.

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Originally Posted by Roehann

The graphic you posted from support states YOU already own a FC. If you're not the master, how does support see you as the owner? Maybe support was wrong when they looked at your account idk. From what they told you and you posted here they believe you already own one FC and thus can't own a second one. I would follow up with support for clarification.

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So my alt is member of someone else's FC, we bid to get a plot for that FC. I also have my own FC on my main (Aoi) and wanted to get my FC a house so my main bid on a different plot. The other FC (that my alt is in) won their plot and claimed the house. My Main (Aoi) had to wait for the 'Bid 0' stuff but was the only bidder on the plot I chose for my FC and so won. But the GMs are saying because my alt is in an FC that has a house I am therefore not allowed to have a house as they see the house the FC my alt is in as my alt's property even though they are just a member of the FC.

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Originally Posted by Aoi_Futaba

But the GMs are saying because my alt is in an FC that has a house I am therefore not allowed to have a house as they see the house the FC my alt is in as my alt's property even though they are just a member of the FC.

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Was your alt the leader in that other FC? I think there is a rule that you have to wait 30 days in the event leadership is transferred? Those abusing FC ownership have been doing that with alts and is part of the problem.

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Originally Posted by Aoi_Futaba

So my alt is member of someone else's FC, we bid to get a plot for that FC. I also have my own FC on my main and wanted to get my FC a house so my main bid on a different plot. The other FC (that my alt is in) won their plot and claimed the house. My Main had to wait for the 'Bid 0' stuff but was the only bidder on the plot I chose for my FC and so won. But the GMs are saying because my alt is in an FC that has a house I am therefore not allowed to have a house as they see the house the FC my alt is in as my alt's property even though they are just a member of the FC.

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Ah ok, so in the FC with your ALT you all put in bids for the house to strength the odds and your bid won and you claimed that house right? Then wouldn't it be easy enough to give control of that FC to another member, then your account wouldn't own a house, you could claim your main's house. Wouldn't that solve the problem? SE just doesn't allow the account to own two houses, but you can be a part of two FC with your main in one and your alt in another. Just give up control of the alt's FC to another member and then have your main collect their home.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Was your alt the leader in that other FC? I think there is a rule that you have to wait 30 days in the event leadership is transferred? Those abusing FC ownership have been doing that with alts and is part of the problem.

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Forgot about the 30 day rule, then you would have to give up control of the FC your alt is in, wait 30 days and then lottery for another home for your main I would think.

https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../housing_land/

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You do not have a character on the same World on the same service account that purchased and maintains a free company plot
* If the character in question purchased the plot, they may still submit a lottery entry for the purposes of relocation.

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Is your alt on the same world and service account as your main? If so, your main is not eligible to buy another FC plot.

An FC is comprised of its members, therefore all FC members own the FC house and the rule is "you can't buy another plot if your service account already owns an FC house on this world". You could however relocate which is why it let you bid on two plots. The system doesn't care which FC your characters are in, only that they are in one.

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Originally Posted by Roehann

In your situation, you own two houses, which is granted by the rules, one FC and one Personal. My wife has both a FC from years and years ago that she got when the FC owner just stopped playing the game and she also owns a personal home, but she don't own two FC houses.

From that way I am reading it, the OP owns a house FC #1 and wants to buy another house FC #2. They don't want to own a FC and a Personal, they want to skit the system and try to get a FC house for their second home since there are so many to pick from and less competition.

Owning two FC homes is against the rules, so they should stop trying to skit the rules.

All this is presuming I am reading and understand their post and the picture they posted from support.

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Nope here is part of the list for the FC my alt is in https://i.imgur.com/AfGQA04.png as you can see member, the FC owner's character begins with S. https://i.imgur.com/EvGenTV.png Do you see any of my alts who's names start with S? No I do not own a house the FC my alt is in does, this is honestly not hard to follow.

(Edit: Support is saying as I am in an FC with a house I therefore own an FC house)

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Originally Posted by Aoi_Futaba

No I do not own a house the FC my alt is in does, this is honestly not hard to follow.

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Your alt is in an FC that owns an FC house, therefore your alt owns an FC house, therefore your main (one the same service account and world) may not buy an FC house till your alt no longer owns an FC house.

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Originally Posted by Ilisidi

Your alt is in an FC that owns an FC house, therefore your alt owns an FC house, therefore your main (one the same service account and world) may not buy an FC house till your alt no longer owns an FC house.

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This is their stance, can I sell it?

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Originally Posted by Aoi_Futaba

This is their stance, can I sell it?

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If your alt's FC leader has given your alt the rights to relinquish the plot you can do that. Be sure to read the terms beforehand. If your alt does not have that right, they'd need to leave the FC at least temporarily.

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Originally Posted by Aoi_Futaba

Nope here is part of the list for the FC my alt is in https://i.imgur.com/AfGQA04.png as you can see member, the FC owner's character begins with S. https://i.imgur.com/EvGenTV.png Do you see any of my alts who's names start with S? No I do not own a house the FC my alt is in does, this is honestly not hard to follow.

(Edit: Support is saying as I am in an FC with a house I therefore own an FC house)

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Somehow, SE <Loadstone> believes you to be a master of a FC. I don't know how to add an image file, I am too old lol, but searching for your name under Loadstone shows you a member of a FC, looking under the member tab of that FC it shows you as the Master of that FC.

It doesn't matter whether someone is a master of an FC or not, all members of an FC own the FC house jointly and therefore fall under "you may not buy another FC plot if you already own an FC plot on this service account and world".

Your alt is considered to be the owner of the FC house as they were the one to win the lottery and finalize the purchase. This is stated directly in the response from support.

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Originally Posted by Ilisidi

It doesn't matter whether someone is a master of an FC or not, all members of an FC own the FC house jointly and therefore fall under "you may not buy another FC plot if you already own an FC plot on this service account and world".

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https://media3.giphy.com/media/s239QJIh56sRW/giphy.gif
Yes I get that but nowhere does it mention it, I can't see why my alt being in an FC is an issue, I can't do anything with the house, I haven't even had time to buy an apartment in it

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Originally Posted by Ilisidi

It doesn't matter whether someone is a master of an FC or not, all members of an FC own the FC house jointly and therefore fall under "you may not buy another FC plot if you already own an FC plot on this service account and world".

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This is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. Being a member of an FC that owns a house doesn't count as you owning the house. Being the one to actually purchase an FC house does.

except they own nothing, they are just a member, I cannot sell the house I cannot do anything with it, if I left the FC it would not follow me it would stay with the FC as the FC Master is the owner

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Originally Posted by Aoi_Futaba

except they own nothing, they are just a member, I cannot sell the house I cannot do anything with it, if I left the FC it would not follow me it would stay with the FC as the FC Master is the owner

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Correct. This still doesn't change the fact that the purchase was done by your alt. And that point links the house to you.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

Correct. This still doesn't change the fact that the purchase was done by your alt. And that point links the house to you.

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So at this point helping them by bidding has effectively done nothing but stop my own FC from getting a house
https://i.imgur.com/Fkbrotd.png

If that's the case is me leaving the FC with my alt even gonna change my ability to claim my house?

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Originally Posted by Aoi_Futaba

So at this point helping them by bidding has effectively done nothing but stop my own FC from getting a house
https://i.imgur.com/Fkbrotd.png

If that's the case is me leaving the FC with my alt even gonna change my ability to claim my house?

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All the information you need is in the support response. Third paragraph directly states that leaving that FC would cause the restriction to "fall off".

Support answered that question.

Just leave the FC you’re alt is in then you can claim the house on your main. Easy peasy.

https://i.imgur.com/i4kxKN7.png
It worked thank you so much guys, that lottery bug really made me far too paranoid

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Originally Posted by Aoi_Futaba

https://i.imgur.com/xjC2hcq.png Good to know, SE have refused the winning house I bid on for my FC as my alt in another FC was winning bidder for that FC's house, as they claim 'I already own a house' but I'm a member not the FC Master therefore I own nothing.

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People in the forums have whined and complained so much about "BuT pEoPlE wItH tWo HoUsEs ArE eViL" that they made the ridiculous decision to deny alts Free Company housing even if they don't own the FC...