may 16th for housing fix?

This is a joke right?

Just shut the servers down and fix it.

nobody cares about the 1%ers doing ultimate rn.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

nobody cares about the 1%ers doing ultimate rn.

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I do care. :O



Cheers

Huh? Why have they pushed it back so far...?

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

Huh? Why have they pushed it back so far...?

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Because they want to be 100% sure that the fixes and the correct lottery winners are pulled and displayed, and are testing that. Duplicating the bug that caused it, fixing it, and verifying no other bugs popped up came first before anything else.

The entire process is here. I would rather them have everything completely fixed, no more bugs, and working properly instead of them crapping out a half-fixed bug fix patch for more to pop up later and prevent more people from getting housing.

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Originally Posted by rainichan

Because they want to be 100% sure that the fixes and the correct lottery winners are pulled and displayed, and are testing that. Duplicating the bug that caused it, fixing it, and verifying no other bugs popped up came first before anything else.

The entire process is here. I would rather them have everything completely fixed, no more bugs, and working properly instead of them crapping out a half-fixed bug fix patch for more to pop up later and prevent more people from getting housing.

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In the latest post they confirmed they HAVE done all the testing and have it ready to go, but them want to simulate the rollout first.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...d9bc9b87b7c6fb

They probably don't need to push it back so far, they are just being cautious. It would not look good to fix it and then another problem happen, so they want to copy a public server and see if their fixes cause any problems first. This takes a lot of time.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

In the latest post they confirmed they HAVE done all the testing and have it ready to go, but them want to simulate the rollout first.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...d9bc9b87b7c6fb

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I... literally linked the same post, my dude.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

This is a joke right?

Just shut the servers down and fix it.

nobody cares about the 1%ers doing ultimate rn.

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Contrary to many players beliefs, housing is a pretty small aspect of the game.

Also JP community is much higher than 1% participation in ultimates. Even NA has higher rates.

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Originally Posted by rainichan

I... literally linked the same post, my dude.

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lol ngl that was kinda funny

That asides, I get why they're doing it,
. Just sucks to wait so long.

16th may is exactly one month since when the problem first appeared.....I did not expect this to be such a huge issue which take a huge game developing company 1 full month to solve....some company develops a whole AAA game in 2 years....1 months for SE seems a lot

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Originally Posted by Padudu

lol ngl that was kinda funny

That asides, I get why they're doing it,
. Just sucks to wait so long.

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its pretty fun being an oceanic player that had no housing at all from january till now, lottery rolls out, 90% of the houses bug out.

Its going to be 4 months from launch until we actually get a working housing system.

nobody is happy, especially when you see ward 2 goblet on every server is bought out by shell FC's of some goldfarm company.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

its pretty fun being an oceanic player that had no housing at all from january till now, lottery rolls out, 90% of the houses bug out.

Its going to be 4 months from launch until we actually get a working housing system.

nobody is happy, especially when you see ward 2 goblet on every server is bought out by shell FC's of some goldfarm company.

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Hey man, you're preaching to the choir. I've never once supported the housing system and I think what SE has been doing with it (among many other things) just plain sucks. I just thought you linking the same exact post as the person you replied to was funny.

Calm down and just read our posts lol

This is pretty absurd, ngl. They told us already that they were already testing it. Now they are "building" something ot test further? Come on. This should be around the clock work. Saying business days is kind of a joke considering our subs don't revolve around business hours. And to the person saying Housing is a small aspect. I wanna see your numbers. Because from the amount of complaining about availability to the number of housing threads that were on the JP servers complaining and on Twitter, I think you're not only clueless but you're also just backing Square up on something that shouldn't take a company as large as Square another 2 weeks to fix.

I wanna know how they are gonna handle FCs, who had multiple members bid. And an instance, because timing or what-not, either a lottery participant for the FC either unsubbed, or has left the FC for other reasons. At the time of the original lottery, they were fully qualified, and now, because it is taking so long, there is a good potential for winners to actually not qualify anymore or that they aren't playing presently.

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Originally Posted by Lecru

This is pretty absurd, ngl. They told us already that they were already testing it. Now they are "building" something ot test further? Come on. This should be around the clock work. Saying business days is kind of a joke considering our subs don't revolve around business hours. And to the person saying Housing is a small aspect. I wanna see your numbers. Because from the amount of complaining about availability to the number of housing threads that were on the JP servers complaining and on Twitter, I think you're not only clueless but you're also just backing Square up on something that shouldn't take a company as large as Square another 2 weeks to fix.

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Yes, let's put people through sleep deprivation or unreasonable work hours for housing. Very logical and will not make matters worse/produce more mistakes. *thumbs up*

We've all been patient this long, another two weeks won't kill anyone.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Yes, let's put people through sleep deprivation or unreasonable work hours for housing. Very logical and will not make matters worse/produce more mistakes. *thumbs up*

We've all been patient this long, another two weeks won't kill anyone.

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I don't really care at this point. Tbh I backed Square in the past. But clearly they took no prior actions to stop this from happening and only went into full "Test" mode AFTER they screwed things up. My Sub and yours don't have "Business Hours". And since we use the excuse for every other occurrence when it suits us. The same team that works on balance adjustments are not the same team that work on housing. Etc etc. This should not be taking as long as it is. They are now building something else to test further. Clearly they already have something they've used to test the fix. Use that. Stop wasting time building something else. I have 200mil in holding now for my FC because they couldn't be bothered to fully test this out the months prior to the lotto sytem. Further, as somebody stated, this doesn't address what happens if somebody who WAS in an FC ends up leaving in this large amount of time it's taking them to do this, etc. You wanna be complacent with things going on lately, fine that's on you. But i'm not. And i'll say it out loud instead of just patting the poor multi billion dollar company on the head from here on out

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Originally Posted by Palslow

some company develops a whole AAA game in 2 years....1 months for SE seems a lot

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SE treats an expansion like creating a whole new game so even SE can develop games in 2 years.

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Originally Posted by Lecru

you're also just backing Square up on something that shouldn't take a company as large as Square another 2 weeks to fix.

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It hasn't taken them that long to fix it because it's already fixed internally, what is taking this long is testing it. It doesn't matter how big your company is. Testing takes time.

That's crazy. You're telling me that it's only going to take a month to isolate a bug that affected the entire housing system, recreate it, and then resimulate the entire lottery?

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

SE treats an expansion like creating a whole new game so even SE can develop games in 2 years.

It hasn't taken them that long to fix it because it's already fixed internally, what is taking this long is testing it. It doesn't matter how big your company is. Testing takes time.

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Pushing it out until the next update for everyone, which is clearly what is going on, isn't testing it. That can be done within a weeks time. I've done plenty of testing myself. They have, at the least, 8 hours in a day for the housing team that's working on it. You run the script, check the data, reset, run again. That's 90 hours of "Business" day testing. Plus whatever has been going on prior for testing.

But hey, this wouldn't be happening if rigorous testing had occurred prior to the lotto release. Which is clear did not happen. Not much seems like it has been rigorously tested since Yoshi started producing XVI alongside XIV if we're going to be honest

With this timetable it is now 100% guaranteed that a horde of RMT shell FCs will be mature in time for round 2 of lottery. 18 wards worth of small houses will now be handed to shell FCs with virtually no competition. That's more than the entirety of housing available from personal wards. They're hard at work fixing a lottery that was never going to fix the broken housing system. In fact, because of the delay caused by the lottery's failure and repair, the housing system is going to be even more broken.

If people would actually read what was posted they would know what is taking so long. They have fixed the error itself, now they have to build out and test a system to clean up the mess. In case everyone has forgotten all those people who were hit with the 0 bug were winners of their plot and many of which took their gil. They now need to create a distribution system that goes back, verifies that information, correctly identifies the winner, takes the gil for purchase, and awards them with the plot. This is even more of a task when you consider FCs who entered with multiple bids on the same plot, or even multiple bids on multiple plots. That means they have to verify which one the FC is taking and appropriately take the gil for that plot while also taking the penalty gil for a single FC bidding on multiple plots and winning.

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Originally Posted by Pablomaldito

With this timetable it is now 100% guaranteed that a horde of RMT shell FCs will be mature in time for round 2 of lottery. 18 wards worth of small houses will now be handed to shell FCs with virtually no competition. That's more than the entirety of housing available from personal wards. They're hard at work fixing a lottery that was never going to fix the broken housing system. In fact, because of the delay caused by the lottery's failure and repair, the housing system is going to be even more broken.

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lol I hadn't even taken this into account. Hey, that 30 days for them is looking great isn't it xD

The other thing I'd really like to see at this point. Roll the correct lottery winners, so those plots can be claimed. If the new lottery can not occur yet due to needing to test and replicate, I get it. But roll out the correct winners and keep the lottery on hold until it is fixed. I dont see what the two must be mutually inclusive.

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Originally Posted by Vrankyl

If people would actually read what was posted they would know what is taking so long. They have fixed the error itself, now they have to build out and test a system to clean up the mess. In case everyone has forgotten all those people who were hit with the 0 bug were winners of their plot and many of which took their gil. They now need to create a distribution system that goes back, verifies that information, correctly identifies the winner, takes the gil for purchase, and awards them with the plot. This is even more of a task when you consider FCs who entered with multiple bids on the same plot, or even multiple bids on multiple plots. That means they have to verify which one the FC is taking and appropriately take the gil for that plot while also taking the penalty gil for a single FC bidding on multiple plots and winning.

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Wouldn't have to go back and do this had it been properly tested prior to deployment ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally Posted by StrongWilled

The other thing I'd really like to see at this point. Roll the correct lottery winners, so those plots can be claimed. If the new lottery can not occur yet due to needing to test and replicate, I get it. But roll out the correct winners and keep the lottery on hold until it is fixed. I dont see what the two must be mutually inclusive.

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Again, that is what they are doing. They are building and testing a system to do just that. The bug has already been fixed and the fix verified.

I kept seeing screenshot of the whole ward owned by the same name..can someone explain to me how that is possible please? I thought each person or FC can only have 1 house for private or FC purpose....do they just keep setting FC up ? but wouldn't that take a lot of Gil and also they need to get their FC to rank 6....so I don't get how they can get a whole ward.....

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Originally Posted by Palslow

I kept seeing screenshot of the whole ward owned by the same name..can someone explain to me how that is possible please?

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FC tags are not unique. What you're seeing is 30 different FC's with the same tag. Kinda blatant and kinda stupid tbh. That's just asking to be put under a microscope.

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Originally Posted by Palslow

I kept seeing screenshot of the whole ward owned by the same name..can someone explain to me how that is possible please? I thought each person or FC can only have 1 house for private or FC purpose....do they just keep setting FC up ? but wouldn't that take a lot of Gil and also they need to get their FC to rank 6....so I don't get how they can get a whole ward.....

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They are all separate FC's on Separate Accounts. Somebody is paying for all of those on the side and buying numerous houses. Which isn't against ToS since they pay for each separate account and falls within the guidelines :) New lotto system is flawless btw.

On the Rank 6 thing. It doesn't take any time at all to rank an FC up to 6. Throw a bunch of crafted items at them for turn in and you basically get that overnight

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

nobody cares about the 1%ers doing ultimate rn.

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You're speaking for yourself. I do care. Plenty of people care. It's all my FC is talking about and watching on Twitch right now.

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Originally Posted by Vrankyl

Again, that is what they are doing. They are building and testing a system to do just that. The bug has already been fixed and the fix verified.

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It doesn't change that now there will be members who are potentially either "unsubbed", "left the FC" or other conditions they are likely not testing for. A week ago they were in progress of building a sim environment. Now SE has yet to even start building the sim environment. They finished on the 25th verifying the fixes, yet they haven't started testing them. How is a fix verified if it isn't tested? As of the 22nd they were "working to replicate the actual environment", yet a week later they have not yet been able to do this, and seems they need an additional 8 days to build that.... that should have been built by now.

Don't say something is going to take "several business days" if it is going to take "several business weeks" and then continually sit on updates. You dont let you consumer believe that things will be address in a week or two, and then go on a push it out til a month. That is poor business practice. and terrible communication.

Are we getting additional wards in compensation for Housing being disabled for basically a month?

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

You're speaking for yourself. I do care. Plenty of people care. It's all my FC is talking about and watching on Twitch right now.

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Same at my FC. Ours was the only one to bid on a plot, 6 bids and because of that, we also have a 0.

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Originally Posted by Lecru

This is pretty absurd, ngl. They told us already that they were already testing it. Now they are "building" something ot test further? Come on. This should be around the clock work. Saying business days is kind of a joke considering our subs don't revolve around business hours. And to the person saying Housing is a small aspect. I wanna see your numbers. Because from the amount of complaining about availability to the number of housing threads that were on the JP servers complaining and on Twitter, I think you're not only clueless but you're also just backing Square up on something that shouldn't take a company as large as Square another 2 weeks to fix.

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You've misunderstood what he is saying.

Testing has been completed for the lottery process They are confident there are no more bugs that will occur in the future, including the one that had affected players attempting to enter for relocation purposes and which had necessitated the original emergency maintenance during the entry period.

Now what they need to test is transferring the winner results to make certain what is currently bugged gets fixed, that everyone who won can claim their plot if they haven't already, and that no new problems occur.

Imagine if transferring the lottery results caused the housing server to think the claimed plots are supposed to still be vacant and so demolishes what was already built, or it decides that winners who had accept refunds thinking they had lost had forfeited their purchase rights?

SE really doesn't want anything else to go wrong so they're taking their time to make certain the results work correctly. Considering each world now has unique conditions for plots and refunds claimed, they've got to be careful.

Just making instanced housing no one cares about the ward system except botters and FCs that buy out entire wards to build an RP town for one person

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

You've misunderstood what he is saying.

Testing has been completed for the lottery process They are confident there are no more bugs that will occur in the future, including the one that had affected players attempting to enter for relocation purposes and which had necessitated the original emergency maintenance during the entry period.

Now what they need to test is transferring the winner results to make certain what is currently bugged gets fixed, that everyone who won can claim their plot if they haven't already, and that no new problems occur.

Imagine if transferring the lottery results caused the housing server to think the claimed plots are supposed to still be vacant and so demolishes what was already built, or it decides that winners who had accept refunds thinking they had lost had forfeited their purchase rights?

SE really doesn't want anything else to go wrong so they're taking their time to make certain the results work correctly. Considering each world now has unique conditions for plots and refunds claimed, they've got to be careful.

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And you've misunderstood everything i've said in it's entirety. This shouldn't even be needing to be extensively tested right now. It should have gone through the paces prior to deployment. And wasn't. Clearly. It's been pointed out in numerous threads as well that testing on the game and extension looks at bugs have gone to the way side since Yoshi has worked on XVI. if they didn't want anything else to go wrong, they should have taken into account why exactly they had to push EW back like they did. Which was supposedly for Quality check. I guess they forgot how much quality check they wanted to put into their work this time around.

I believe the issue came from them not accounting for server load. This is why this time around they want to test their fixes while taking it into account.

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Originally Posted by Lecru

And you've misunderstood everything i've said in it's entirety. This shouldn't even be needing to be extensively tested right now. It should have gone through the paces prior to deployment. And wasn't. Clearly. It's been pointed out in numerous threads as well that testing on the game and extension looks at bugs have gone to the way side since Yoshi has worked on XVI. if they didn't want anything else to go wrong, they should have taken into account why exactly they had to push EW back like they did. Which was supposedly for Quality check. I guess they forgot how much quality check they wanted to put into their work this time around.

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Agree. They should not just now be building servers to replicate an actual housing environment for testing. This should have been done a year ago, while they were building and testing the lottery system. It wasn't. It shouldn't take an additional 8+ business days to build this out now, the issue was raised nearly 2 weeks ago. They should have been working to build that right away. The test environment should have been ready PRIOR to the fix being completed. A fix is not completed if it isn't tested. They can say they are "confident it will work" because they've tested it, but that haven't. It's extremely frustrating all the way around.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

In the latest post they confirmed they HAVE done all the testing and have it ready to go, but them want to simulate the rollout first.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...d9bc9b87b7c6fb

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That's a smart and sound decision. Simulating the results even after they think they are sure, just to know that they are sure, is an absolute win for the community. People will whine, but it really shows the dedication the devs have to getting it right. If only they cared this much about Hrothgar hair.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

That's a smart and sound decision. Simulating the results even after they think they are sure, just to know that they are sure, is an absolute win for the community. People will whine, but it really shows the dedication the devs have to getting it right. If only they cared this much about Hrothgar hair.

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Where's the dedication to thorough testing over a year prior when announcing the new system? I'd like to see where that dedication is/went.

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Originally Posted by Lecru

And you've misunderstood everything i've said in it's entirety. This shouldn't even be needing to be extensively tested right now. It should have gone through the paces prior to deployment. And wasn't. Clearly. It's been pointed out in numerous threads as well that testing on the game and extension looks at bugs have gone to the way side since Yoshi has worked on XVI. if they didn't want anything else to go wrong, they should have taken into account why exactly they had to push EW back like they did. Which was supposedly for Quality check. I guess they forgot how much quality check they wanted to put into their work this time around.

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For all we know, it had been tested thoroughly prior to 6.1's release and it was the emergency maintenance that introduced whatever caused the bug.

Either way, it doesn't matter what should or shouldn't have happened in the past. We're stuck with what did happen. Pursuing blame doesn't help anyone because it doesn't fix problems.

Let's get the problems fixed.

The last thing we need is for them to rush out a fix that introduces a new set of problems.

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Originally Posted by StrongWilled

Agree. They should not just now be building servers to replicate an actual housing environment for testing. This should have been done a year ago, while they were building and testing the lottery system. It wasn't. It shouldn't take an additional 8+ business days to build this out now, the issue was raised nearly 2 weeks ago. They should have been working to build that right away. The test environment should have been ready PRIOR to the fix being completed. A fix is not completed if it isn't tested. They can say they are "confident it will work" because they've tested it, but that haven't. It's extremely frustrating all the way around.

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Did you ever stop to think that a single generic housing environment isn't going to work for testing the fix and that they might need to replicate the current conditions on all 73 worlds so they can test each individually?