Biolysis and SCH

Currently groups of SCH are going around in Frontline and spamming Biolysis. That's seems harmless but the problem is that:

* Biolysis has no stack limit.
* It scales with rank up damage.
* It has a gigantic AoE that applies it to everything.

With 2 stacks from Rank 4 SCH, it does about 12K a *tick*. It's very easy to get 4 or 5 stacks without even trying and it does about 30K a tick end game.

Please fix.

EDIT: Oh, and I almost forgot, it appears to go through guard.

Jobs aren't tuned to Frontlines. And SCH isn't even that strong in CC. Let us have this one busted thing.

SCH lacks of cc nor does those DoT outright kills you. They are better at maintaining that pressure against enemy's team unlike the stunlock anathema that is WAR and WHM's inconceivably powerful LB, morph, and sniping capability.

How do you intend to 'fix' them in FL anyway?

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

SCH lacks of cc nor does those DoT outright kills you unlike the stunlock anathema that is WAR and WHM's inconceivably powerful LB, morph, and sniping capability.

How do you intend to 'fix' them in FL anyway?

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A stack limit would be a start.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

SCH lacks of cc nor does those DoT outright kills you unlike the stunlock anathema that is WAR and WHM's inconceivably powerful LB, morph, and sniping capability.

How do you intend to 'fix' them in FL anyway?

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Also, you realize that 30K damage is more than half the health of the healthiest jobs? You can't heal through it at that point, you're just dead unless you can get heals from your own team and because it's a huge AoE, chances are they're already dead. You seem to be missing the point that this wipes out entire raid groups while doing more damage per tick than most LBs.

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Originally Posted by computerquip

Also, you realize that 30K damage is more than half the health of the healthiest jobs? You can't heal through it at that point, you're just dead unless you can get heals from your own team and because it's a huge AoE, chances are they're already dead. You seem to be missing the point that this wipes out entire raid groups while doing more damage per tick than most LBs.

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I have to say: yes I don't see the point of fixing this when DoT's strength lies in their capability to keep that pressure game up without outright killing your opponents. The bright side is you don't get stunlocked and die on the spot. You can disengage when you know you have multiple DoTs ticking, or even, see those SCHs running past their rank to apply their Bio-spread.

I've seen more wipes caused by AoE stunlock/cc by opposing side stacking jobs like WARs, WHMs, and/or RDMs which achieves way more than SCHs in fewer seconds. Besides, you also include a situation where said SCH already amasses BH buffs, which amuses me because we should be targeting enemies with BHs to prevent them stacking that bonus too high from first place. (Then again it's Frontline. Expecting everybody to know what to do is a dream come true)

At best I could only see a 'fix' where they'd apply a damage fall off, IF they even really need that. There are other jobs that requires more tuning than SCH. WHM and WAR are the most glaring ones, but this is frontline we're talking about. Funny imbalances seems like their trademark. /shrug

EDIT: Okay... so let's say they actually prevent Bio stacking. So that actively discourages multiple SCHs stacking. But what about other jobs stacking? Why would you let them off the hook?

WHM chain stun and fast LB are way worse than SCH DoT IMO...

Frontlines probly needs some aoe damage falloff, though i dont really mind because the fast pace is really fun And pvp is not balanced around FL anyways

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

I have to say: yes I don't see the point of fixing this when DoT's strength lies in their capability to keep that pressure game up without outright killing your opponents. The bright side is you don't get stunlocked and die on the spot. You can disengage when you know you have multiple DoTs ticking, or even, see those SCHs running past their rank to apply their Bio-spread.

I've seen more wipes caused by AoE stunlock/cc by opposing side stacking jobs like WARs, WHMs, and/or RDMs which achieves way more than SCHs in fewer seconds. Besides, you also include a situation where said SCH already amasses BH buffs, which amuses me because we should be targeting enemies with BHs to prevent them stacking that bonus too high from first place. (Then again it's Frontline. Expecting everybody to know what to do is a dream come true)

At best I could only see a 'fix' where they'd apply a damage fall off, IF they even really need that. There are other jobs that requires more tuning than SCH. WHM and WAR are the most glaring ones, but this is frontline we're talking about. Funny imbalances seems like their trademark. /shrug

EDIT: Okay... so let's say they actually prevent Bio stacking. So that actively discourages multiple SCHs stacking. But what about other jobs stacking? Why would you let them off the hook?

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No other job's DoT does enough damage on a 15s CD (while also having the ability to buff and heal their own team without interrupting that DoT) to kill an entire alliance. You cannot just walk away from the damage, it goes through guard, it can't be purified, and the range it can be applied from keeps the SCH at a safe distance while the AoE from Deploy Tactics makes it so it hits just about everyone. Unless the SCH is basically griefing, they're going to get rank 5 as well.



While I get that it's frontline, this is particularly egregious. Again, imagine MCH LB on every alliance member every tick from a DoT that lasts for 15s.

This feels too much like a troll topic to be genuine. Like, how does a SCH get kills without luck anyways? Nothing really deals that kind of damage in its pvp kit.

PS Im maining SCH in pvp so I think I should be noticing something about this 'issue'

Im glad that the new Job designs have so much AoE potential, hopefully this will sooner or later, stop People from clustering together and use actual steategies in Frontline by breaking into smaller Groups.


Frontline has been braindead for far too long, enjoy the Fireworks while they are here.

I just got out of a FL match where a SCH had nearly 3million dmg to PCs on the board afterwards

It's only broken when you have multiple, unlike WHM and WAR. A single SCH DoT only does 4.5k per tick.

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Originally Posted by computerquip

No other job's DoT does enough damage on a 15s CD (while also having the ability to buff and heal their own team without interrupting that DoT) to kill an entire alliance. You cannot just walk away from the damage, it goes through guard, it can't be purified, and the range it can be applied from keeps the SCH at a safe distance while the AoE from Deploy Tactics makes it so it hits just about everyone. Unless the SCH is basically griefing, they're going to get rank 5 as well.

While I get that it's frontline, this is particularly egregious. Again, imagine MCH LB on every alliance member every tick from a DoT that lasts for 15s.

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Then I will have to respectfully disagree with you. DoT total damage does adds up over time but spread evenly across its duration. It is not a burst damage. It cannot outright kill you as fast as other job's bursty arsenals. You are less likely to die from the DoT ticks. It's the other compounding damage from other sources that kills players, on top of their unawareness to let the DoT whittle their health low enough to be killed very easily by other opponents. Unless there's an actual killing blow, all those ticks are for nothing besides forcing people to disengage to recuperate or use Elixirs to avoid their own deaths while their other teammate takes over the rank.

People should also learn that with all these increased AoE potentials across multiple jobs in the roster, they should be spreading out instead of staying clustered and effectively just handing out silver platters for those SCH to spread their Bio conveniently, or having that WHM/WAR stunning the whole alliance with their dangerous actions.

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Originally Posted by Rowde

I just got out of a FL match where a SCH had nearly 3million dmg to PCs on the board afterwards

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Seems pretty common.

I myself scored that much (my best was 4m \o/) quite often but it doesn't mean anything if my teammate does not make use of the lowered enemy HP to score any kills. DoT helps, but it won't outright kill you, which is what matters because kills gives your enemies battle high, empowering them further.

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Originally Posted by gotaname1

This feels too much like a troll topic to be genuine. Like, how does a SCH get kills without luck anyways? Nothing really deals that kind of damage in its pvp kit.

PS Im maining SCH in pvp so I think I should be noticing something about this 'issue'

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Honestly it looks more like players' issue for not understanding how to avoid getting taken advantage by their opponents' AoE.

As someone who was in a pack of scholars doing precisely this in Frontlines this evening, I will make a few points.

1. Biolysis has a terrible range, comparatively; 25y is a lot in a PvE boss arena, but it isn’t super great on a field the size of a Frontlines match. I repeatedly had to leave the “mob” of my team to get a really choice Biolysis target and Deploy it across a dense cluster. If the other team is on the ball, there’s a brief but very real window where I can be yanked over by a WAR or stunned by a WHM and quickly vaporized. Moreover, if folks don’t cluster up in lovely tight little clumps, I am denied a target-rich environment in the first place.

2. If I am vaporized, my battle high—and thus the potency of said DoT—is diminished.

3. Early in the match, the DoT is pretty small… and my options on SCH for much other damage are pretty limited. If I DoT a bunch of opponents and they chase me back to my team and get nuked, I get a ton of assists and battle high. If they back off for a moment, the DoT falls off, I get credit for nothing, and then I’m the one left running.

Keeping the SCH Biolysis ticks to a sane damage range is fairly easy, compared to countering various moves other jobs have in PvP; the only way it works to become incredibly OP is if you have scholars moving in a pack (to stack the damage) and people *let them get the credit* early on, thus amassing battle high.

The SCH pack I was running with had a number of matches where we were able to lure people with DoTs back to our team, where they were outnumbered and killed and we farmed the assists. We definitely became a Problem for the other team in those matches when this had gone on long enough that our Biolysis stacks were functionally a hydrogen bomb when deployed together.

We also had a number of matches where the other team did not fall for our trickery, backed off to deny us the assists and keep us from amassing battle high, and then yoinked us around and vaporized us once the DoT had fallen off. We did not fare well when they were wise to our game.

SCH can absolutely become a huge problem in Frontlines, especially in packs. But the other team kind of has to let them power up enough first.

Biolysis is quite strong in Frontlines, however it doesn't particularly kill all that often, at least until they start racking up Battle Highs. It can put the other team you're fighting into a quite disadvantageous position as they take the DoT damage and the few seconds of increased damage.
If they're not engaged in a fight, they can generally fall back and outheal it with the elixir.

But aside from that, SCH provides very little in a frontline. Adloquium can only be spread if cast on yourself or a party member, and it doesn't even spread Alliance wide. Expedient also doesn't affect other Alliances, so unless you're somehow managing to keep your alliance as a coherent team working together, you're main contribution ends up being to Biolysis a chunk of the enemy and turn into the Broil Mage.

dont give the devs more reasons to kneecap healers more, they finally got nice things via their pvp kits after 3.5 of soulcrushing garbage please stop

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Originally Posted by weebtext

It's only broken when you have multiple, unlike WHM and WAR. A single SCH DoT only does 4.5k per tick.

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Seriously this. It's not like it refreshes itself and then stacks on itself.

And the odds of getting multiple SCH's is pretty damn low.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

And the odds of getting multiple SCH's is pretty damn low.

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Eh... less low in Frontlines, where people can talk in chat and where you can queue a light party in together. We had four SCH queuing in together as a party, and convinced others to join our "Book Club" at least once.

(I do agree with your other point, though.)

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

Eh... less low in Frontlines, where people can talk in chat and where you can queue a light party in together. We had four SCH queuing in together as a party, and convinced others to join our "Book Club" at least once.

(I do agree with your other point, though.)

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You can also change class in Frontline.


My last Frontline looked normal at first, then suddenly 16 of them turned into White Mages.

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Originally Posted by Momo_Kozuki

You can also change class in Frontline.

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Yeah, that's what I meant by convincing others to join our Book Club; we went "So here's what we're planning to do, who wants to become the Nerd Hit Squad with us?"

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Originally Posted by computerquip

Currently groups of SCH are going around in Frontline and spamming Biolysis. That's seems harmless but the problem is that:

* Biolysis has no stack limit.
* It scales with rank up damage.
* It has a gigantic AoE that applies it to everything.

With 2 stacks from Rank 4 SCH, it does about 12K a *tick*. It's very easy to get 4 or 5 stacks without even trying and it does about 30K a tick end game.

Please fix.

EDIT: Oh, and I almost forgot, it appears to go through guard.

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Please fix the Biolysis stacking. Really annoying when groups have a million sch and cheese the system.

SCH Biolysis stacking and WHM lasers galore are the reasons I haven't queued for Frontlines after the 5th day of the patch. I'd love it if Biolysis could be removed with Purify.

Frontlines just needs an AoE cap on abilities. That way it wont affect CC at all.

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Originally Posted by Cithaerias_pyropina

I'd love it if Biolysis could be removed with Purify.

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That would make SCH weaker in CC, the mode that actually matters for balancing and SCH is already mediocre in. I don't mind AOE or DoT caps, but making it outright removeable makes SCH worse to play than it is already in CC.

A bit tips to handle the Biospread-cult:
• Spread out a bit, don’t give the SCH chance to spread their plague.
• Watch your debuff bar. Two or more Bio means back away or expend your Recuperate. I’ve seen people who just willingly stays on the front row despite seeing 3+ bio stacks already running on them. Of course at that point they are handing out the silver platter for enemy’s DPSes for easy kills/assist kills for the SCH! This is what I and other fellow nerds take advantage of for our gain: enemy's unawareness, just like any other jobs.
• If your team is decent, mark that SCH and they will be happy to hunt/pull that SCH for an easy kill when they sprint forward to spread their bio. As Packetdancer had mentioned, 25y is still not exactly safe because ideally they want to be closer than that to make sure their biospread are centered as close as possible with the group.
• Battle Highs matter. Kill them before they amass their BH or if they have BHs. This is a form of damage control. Gotta love it when two-third of your team jumps at that bait-DRK/PLD while that BH5 SCH sneaks from their rear to spread their plague and immediately back away.

I always notify my group when I see at least 4 SCHs from opposing side then start using the less-used markers like "Bind this target", "Number 3/4/5" to ensure they stay visible to as much players as possible. This helps A LOT.

Spreading out doesn't work well vs. something with a gigantic 15 yalm radius, especially in a PvP mode that all-but-forces players to clump up at chokepoints and on top of objective nodes.

Especially as Melee. "Spread out" 16 yalms apart as melee players deletes large portions of your rotation, and also begins to risk putting you out-of-range of various friendly buffs and defensives. Even Dancer can barely function like that in most hectic Frontline deathballs.

Anyway, one Scholar spreading Recited Biolysis is little more than a nuisance and a bit of background pressure. It's really only the unlimited stacking that's the problem.

If SE made Biolysis not stack with other players's Biolysis applications in PvP (ie, overwrite the timer instead), it would have no effect on Crystal Conflict (which prevents duplicate Jobs from being matched together), but would immediately clean up Frontlines.

Alternatively, just allow Guard to reduce DOT damage. Or cleanse DOTs. Or something.

Even just reducing the enemy-targeted Deployment Tactic radius to 5 yalms would make Frontline Scholar a lot less ridiculous, since in that case, Deploy Biolysis would come a lot closer to being a punishment for clumping up more than necessary, rather than Deploy's current state, which is basically a punishment for just trying to play Frontlines at all.

But honestly, a lot of these changes would — as is frequently noted — bully Scholar in Crystal Conflict, where it really doesn't need any nerfs, as far as I can understand. So I'd suggest that the developers focus on the aspect that's actually pernicious in Frontline, which is the unlimited stacking — something that is a non-issue in Crystal Conflict balancing, and hence can be targeted directly without affecting Crystal Conflict Scholar performance.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Battle Highs matter. Kill them before they amass their BH or if they have BHs. This is a form of damage control. Gotta love it when two-third of your team jumps at that bait-DRK/PLD while that BH5 SCH sneaks from their rear to spread their plague and immediately back away.

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This. This is so crucial. If you chase after the SCH back into their team and their team obliterates you, then the SCH gets the assists. If you let several of your team get lured in, the SCH gets a lot of assists. Moreover, if multiple SCH have put Biolysis on you, that's just increasing the problem if you die and give several SCHs an assist.

If you do this more than once, you are setting yourself up for Pain.

SCH is very squishy and cannot do a lot of damage by default; even Biolysis itself isn't that deadly. But if you let the SCH farm assists and gain a lot of battle high... like I said earlier, a Book Club of nerds with battle high traveling in a pack is functionally a mobile hydrogen bomb. And that has potential to become an immense problem for the opposing team, not leastwise because when they reach the point that they are basically a tactical nuke, they start amassing battle high even faster, and that can easily become a problem you no longer have the capacity to take down easily.

Kill the SCH before they amass battle high -- and back off when you have Biolysis -- and they stay very squishy, and thus not that much of a problem.

All this talk of this job and that one being OP is amusing. Everyone is OP when people are actually working together, while your party isn't. One of my recent runs had a party with 3 SCH. We didn't win.

4.5k /tick is the buffed amount. It's not always going to hit for that and it's not factoring the shield buff or other conditions. As it's been noted, the bigger the group of targets, the better it is. It's easy to shrug it off if that's the only attack coming in.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

4.5k /tick is the buffed amount. It's not always going to hit for that and it's not factoring the shield buff or other conditions. As it's been noted, the bigger the group of targets, the better it is. It's easy to shrug it off if that's the only attack coming in.

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To be fair, it is a much bigger problem if you have, say, 5 SCH in a coordinated pack who've farmed battle high all hitting you with that buffed Biolysis.

4.5k/tick is survivable; 4.5k/tick * 5 = 22.5k/tick, that's somewhat more of a pressing issue.

If SCH needs anything fixed, how about changing freaking Broil into something more original. If i want to play SCH in PvP, the LAST thing i want to be reminded of is that Broilspam is still a thing in 2022.

Thing about Bio is it's not upfront, it's over time.

If you had 10 people all grouped up and 4 of any other job hit you with some AoE you'd have a lot of deaths all the same. Difference is other jobs attacks are front loaded with lower potency and SCH's is over time with a higher potency but they have to do 2-3 buttons to get decent damage out of it because without that it's only 15K over 15s which is 1/3 of the lowest hp job's bar.

Point is: Don't stay grouped up, you're begging to get aoe blasted at that point.

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Originally Posted by RecoveryPotion

Please fix the Biolysis stacking. Really annoying when groups have a million sch and cheese the system.

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Exactly how is that "cheesing the system"? It's a dot, dots stack just like regens do. Don't be salty because you died to a healer attack.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Thing about Bio is it's not upfront, it's over time.

If you had 10 people all grouped up and 4 of any other job hit you with some AoE you'd have a lot of deaths all the same. Difference is other jobs attacks are front loaded with lower potency and SCH's is over time with a higher potency but they have to do 2-3 buttons to get decent damage out of it because without that it's only 15K over 15s which is 1/3 of the lowest hp job's bar.

Point is: Don't stay grouped up, you're begging to get aoe blasted at that point.



Exactly how is that "cheesing the system"? It's a dot, dots stack just like regens do. Don't be salty because you died to a healer attack.

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You're joking right? If SCH alone can wipe an entire ALLIANCE with one dot I think something needs to be fixed. You're clearly part of the SCH CHEESE I guess lol There needs to be a stack limit

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Originally Posted by RecoveryPotion

You're joking right? If SCH alone can wipe an entire ALLIANCE with one dot I think something needs to be fixed. You're clearly part of the SCH CHEESE I guess lol There needs to be a stack limit

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A single scholar isn't wiping an alliance, like I said, it won't even do 33% of the lowest health bar with it's dot. . . But keep that strawman alive I guess.

If you're not bright enough to fall back, use Recuperate or Standard-Issue Elixir, that's on you.

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Originally Posted by RecoveryPotion

You're joking right? If SCH alone can wipe an entire ALLIANCE with one dot I think something needs to be fixed. You're clearly part of the SCH CHEESE I guess lol There needs to be a stack limit

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Regular Biolysis is a total of 15,000 damage
Add recitation: it becomes 22,500 damage
Add BH5 into the mix: it becomes 22,500 damage.
Add both recitation and BH5: it becomes 33,750 damage.

BUT, all those damage are spread evenly across 15 seconds. They are not upfront damage like burst damages. If players in PvP need 10-15 seconds to realize they have DoT ticking on them, then they really have to be more aware of their surrounding. There is no fix to lack of awareness.

I have no doubts those same players won't even know what killed their group within 1 - 5 seconds of cc window but then won't think that's unfair at all.

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

To be fair, it is a much bigger problem if you have, say, 5 SCH in a coordinated pack who've farmed battle high all hitting you with that buffed Biolysis.

4.5k/tick is survivable; 4.5k/tick * 5 = 22.5k/tick, that's somewhat more of a pressing issue.

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I would love to be in a group like that and I'm sure you would to, but we both know that unless you go in there with those people and that same intent, it's not gonna happen. You still have to deal with carrying the other two parties that may or may not know what they're doing. Add to that the fact that you're one of the squishier targets even with shielding and no status effects in your arsenal.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Regular Biolysis is a total of 15,000 damage
Add recitation: it becomes 22,500 damage
Add BH5 into the mix: it becomes 22,500 damage.
Add both recitation and BH5: it becomes 33,750 damage.

BUT, all those damage are spread evenly across 15 seconds. They are not upfront damage like burst damages. If players in PvP need 10-15 seconds to realize they have DoT ticking on them, then they really have to be more aware of their surrounding. There is no fix to lack of awareness.

I have no doubts those same players won't even know what killed their group within 1 - 5 seconds of cc window but then won't think that's unfair at all.

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Yes, but that's from ONE Scholar not 5. 5 Recited Biolysis DoTs on you deal 22500 damage every 3 seconds. Even just three Recited Biolysis DoTs on you is oppressive at 13500 damage every 3 seconds. 3 Recited Biolysis's chunk 21% of a Warrior's health pool every 3 seconds. That Warrior's dead in 14 seconds if they have no MP to use Recuperate. 3 Recited Biolysis DoTs will kill anyone with less than 53000 HP in less than 12 seconds.

The DoT is manageagle at 2 but the moment you go to 3, let alone 5, it's too much. It either needs a hard target cap of 5, 8 or 10, or the DoT can no longer be stacked or the DoT needs to be able to be cleansed with Purify.

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Originally Posted by HyonaCookie

That would make SCH weaker in CC, the mode that actually matters for balancing and SCH is already mediocre in. I don't mind AOE or DoT caps, but making it outright removeable makes SCH worse to play than it is already in CC.

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Let's just say it could remove the DoT: People just blew their Purify, that's on a long 30s cooldown, on cleansing a DoT, that can be reapplied in another 15 seconds, instead of breaking out of cc. I'd say that's a win for SCH because that person won't have Purify available to break out of cc if they elect to use Purify to remove Biolysis.

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Originally Posted by Cithaerias_pyropina

Yes, but that's from ONE Scholar not 5. 5 Recited Biolysis DoTs on you deal 22500 damage every 3 seconds. Even just three Recited Biolysis DoTs on you is oppressive at 13500 damage every 3 seconds. 3 Recited Biolysis's chunk 21% of a Warrior's health pool every 3 seconds. That Warrior's dead in 14 seconds if they have no MP to use Recuperate. 3 Recited Biolysis DoTs will kill anyone with less than 53000 HP in less than 12 seconds.

The DoT is manageagle at 2 but the moment you go to 3, let alone 5, it's too much. It either needs a hard target cap of 5, 8 or 10, or the DoT can no longer be stacked or the DoT needs to be able to be cleansed with Purify.


Let's just say it could remove the DoT: People just blew their Purify, that's on a long 30s cooldown, on cleansing a DoT, that can be reapplied in another 15 seconds, instead of breaking out of cc. I'd say that's a win for SCH because that person won't have Purify available to break out of cc if they elect to use Purify to remove Biolysis.

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You are trying really hard because realistically, how often are you going to be hit by more than 2 biolysis in ANY pvp mode? SCH is still a rarity compared to WHM, SUM and WAR. and if you get hit by more, it is because you were grouped up too much. If anything, you are making niche bookclub parties appealing.

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Originally Posted by gotaname1

You are trying really hard because realistically, how often are you going to be hit by more than 2 biolysis in ANY pvp mode? SCH is still a rarity compared to WHM, SUM and WAR. and if you get hit by more, it is because you were grouped up too much. If anything, you are making niche bookclub parties appealing.

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Go for it. The more it happens the more light is shed on it and the more likely it or battle high five gets nerfed. I only played SCH in frontlines, until I got so annoyed at WHM with it's LB that I leveled WHM to 30 just to abuse it in frontlines, and still want it nerfed.

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Originally Posted by Cithaerias_pyropina

Yes, but that's from ONE Scholar not 5. 5 Recited Biolysis DoTs on you deal 22500 damage every 3 seconds. Even just three Recited Biolysis DoTs on you is oppressive at 13500 damage every 3 seconds. 3 Recited Biolysis's chunk 21% of a Warrior's health pool every 3 seconds. That Warrior's dead in 14 seconds if they have no MP to use Recuperate. 3 Recited Biolysis DoTs will kill anyone with less than 53000 HP in less than 12 seconds.

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While what you're saying is not entirely wrong, I still fail to see the point of needing to nerf them. From my experience spamming frontlines (I shamelessly spam it my way up to series lv30 with minimum CC done and still going on), I have seen just as much attempt to stack 5 or more SCHs foiled, simply by telling the alliance of their presence and marking them. Seen our WARs/RDMs/SMNs specifically try to cc them when they dash forward. Seen DRGs coordinating their jumps to obliterate them while entirely negating their ticking DoT. Seen WHMs sniped them even before they are in range to spread their Bio. Seen people actually try to keep good distance to minimize the spreading potential. Seen people actually back off immediately before the ticks gets problematic.

Something as busted as WHM's 40y overtuned LB still causes more wipes than SCH's Biospread and people want to nerf the latter? Apologies, I just can't buy that. To me that just sounded like "I hate that my teammate are tunnel visioning that they can't notice the ticking DoTs. Please nerf!!"

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Originally Posted by Cithaerias_pyropina

The more it happens the more light is shed on it and the more likely it or battle high five gets nerfed.

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I'd love to see Battle High gets nerfed in some way. At least remove the increased HP recovery. I'd like to think increased damage taken but I think that would be too much.